I no longer want to know what I've learned.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


1.The first thing we must do is to WIPE AWAY the thought that Earth cannot sustain us, the way it had for billions of years and for another few billions more with improve tech and knowledge.

NO ONE needs to be left behind, because if we do leave others behind, we will only use labels justify our actions and ultimately only one labet can be left alive on Earth, and it is written as ME.

2. Circumstances changes all the time for the only issue that is constant in life is CHANGE. We humans had been granted with intelligence and we CAN ADAPT to changes, either easily or with resistance, a choice of our own making, just as our ancestors had faced far worse in climatic, socia-political changes.

3. Being positive or negative springs within your self and your desires. When you achieve your wants, you will be positive, and when you don't you become negative. The key word is 'wants' which all must tamper with realities and adapt accordingly.

4. Many of the changes are man created. That which is man created, can also be destroyed or rebuild. It is within our hands and capability to do so, not alone, but together, and changes for that to happen begins with you and me.

Without that, it is easy to see that there is no hope and we are all doomed, because we are basing our perspectives on us not changing at all, at the basic level which we are in control of with our gift of free will.



[edit on 22-8-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

We cannot change if our government will not allow us.

Look at the world, and the people it is run by. Do you really think there needs to be starvation in this world right now? World hunger could be solved in less than a week if the tptb would step up. But no.

We are heading in to an economic crisis bigger than the world has ever seen. The rich care about the rich, and the poor, support them, without given a choice. Anything else would be a free for all.

So you really think that humanity can change, and overcome these obstacles? You don't think for a second, that humans, are their own worst enemy? Sure we have intelligence, that means we can argue forever, about the way things should be done, so we procrastinate enough, that the problem escalates into something too big to handle. That is what is happening in this world today. No problems are being solved, even though we are clearly intelligent enough to know there is a problem. Instead, we go to war. We kill each other, at the same time, using every resource we can get our hands on, and selling it at the highest possible price. Humans are greedy, consuming, corrupt, and selfish as a whole. There are good individuals out there, but those people are not the ones in power, because power corrupts, which is then a chain reaction to everything else I mentioned. Look at the environment today, with all the dead zones in the ocean, the earthquakes, the natural disasters, the poor, the starving, the wars, and war tensions.....Do you really believe humans will fix these problems? Climate change is happening on all of the planets, not just earth. How bad will it get? Assuming 2012 is fake, climate change is not. It's getting worse each year. Soon the arctic will have ice free summers.

So tell me, what good can possible come out of all that, in the next 100 years?

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


1. World starvation. Is this true or isolated pockets that had gotten you down and used as an excuse for negativity?

You did say it right. Starvation could be solved within hours if TPTB steps up. Plenty of food being wasted and rotted daily. Just look at the unsold cakes and meats after the day had ended, as well as piled up food we never eat?


2. Economic crisis.

Fair enough. This is true. But look around you. Had factories closed down? Had cargo ships stopped sailing? Had cargo vans and trucks disappeared from the roads? Nope.

None of this are happening. Human has needs and they are constantly being met everyday. In meeting those needs, commerce and money circulates.

The casino stock markets may plunge, and rightfully so, for it is nothing more than a scam by the rich to con the middle classes for their monies. May it totally collapsed. Seems mankind had never learnt from the numerous pitfuls of stock crashes since such casinos started operating.

Even though unemployment is high, but it is still at below 10% levels, which means at least 90% of adults still have jobs and contributing to society! Now if only those rich hoarders will roll up their sleeves and really do an honest day job of investing manufacturing instead of shuffling papers around, unemployment will end.


3. Wars do happen as it had happened for centuries. We know it is wrong, for it solves nothing and only lead to worse issues later.

BUT WE can put a stop to it, simply because - who fights in wars? It is you and me. If we refuse to vote for it, sanction it, or even fight in it, but instead talk to the other side on our own to seek for peace, resolve differences, do you think then wars will occur?


4. Climate change had been happening for ages, and not just this age. We humans will have to be smarter, plan for it and adapt accordingly to it, never to be taken for a ride by Corporations who seek for profits instead of safety of its workers in locations and infrastructure.

IF you and I are willing to change, and spread the word to our families, friends and relatives, together whom makes up our societies to consider and make the necessary changes, then perhaps the next 100 years will be a Golden Age for humanity.

What we had been through in the recent past few years till today is enough evidence that we had been on a wrong path all along, led by the incompetent and decietful. The facts are there if we but open our eyes as well as those whom loved us to see, and it may be possible.

But it begins with you. The insignificant me is only alone and incapable of much. With you, we will be able to do much more, as it will extrapoliate, as it had for the past 1 year by many of the unknown courageous amongst us here and elsewhere on the internet who had done much to change the world. We are already on another timeline, with several crisis averted, in case you still do not know.

When I mentioned the economy, I wasn't referring to 2008.

I was referring to the coming crash. Which will make 2008 insignificant. The coming crash of the stock market, will be a worldwide crash. All those factories that you mentioned, and unemployment rates at a mere 10%, will skyrocket. We are not economically out of the woods by a long shot. Alld that happened in 2008, is they bought time. How much time? I guess we'll find out when it crashes next. And they won't be able to buy their way out of this one, that was their last playing card. When the economy crashes, which, when you look at it right now, you might say that within next 6 months this will happen, there will be chaos in the streets. You may not believe me right now, I don't expect you to. But I have been following it, along with a few family members, and none of us have come across anything to avert this crash. The debt is too high, worldwide. The governments cannot afford to support their countries. Rumours of three hindenberg omens last week alone. If those rumours are true, a crash is coming soon, and with 3 omens, it's not going to be small. So what happens then? What if the economy goes to #, and it becomes that free for all I mentioned earlier? Do you think humans will work together and get out of this crisis? Or will it be every man for himself, wild wild west style?

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


In case you did not get what I had been saying, I will reiterate,

1. The casino, known as the stock market will eventually collapse, as it did in the past and will do so in the future. It was based upon lies and fallacies, as well as decietfull terms such as alternative banking and investments for capital where entreprenuers can obtain funding.

Entreprenuers and manufacturers HAD already obtained their funding when they sold their corporate shares on the market in the form of liquid cash, for their expansion, regardless if the movements of their stocks go up or down.

The only times the company needs to pay back to investors is when there is a profit in the form of dividends. Other than that, they are under no obligation to give anything back to them, unless they pledged their shares to the bank, which is a different issue all together.

Thus, if the casino collapse, many would have lost their monies, but is still worth something should the company turn in profits later, as real companies exists to serve humanity's needs.


2. The Economy.

Money does not disappear into thin air. It just went into hiding and are hoarded up. Consider how much of the dollar had been printed for the past 200 years as well as the natural resources dug up for centuries that is of value. Zillions if auditing is done.

People feel the pinch because money is not being circulated, or little of it is being circulated. This is a man made problem, and the solution lays with the rich who had hoarded up this wealth.

There are still needs to be met by Humanity which can only be either grown or manufactured. Capital is required, but if it is not forthcoming by those who hold capital, then true enough, doom will be on hand within months, and one needs not bother looking at the 100 year projection.

Therefore to avert such doom, you and I have a lot of work to do, and that is convince, debate and discuss how we can avert this tragedy with our families, friends, relatives and elected representatives, the way many had done to avert other crisis earlier.

The choice is yours. I may be insignificant, but you are not, if you will but help out. Bill Gates did not start the ball rolling with sharing and giving away half of his wealth recently out of his supposedly kind heart. He too, was awakened.

reply to post by dreamwalker74


i know exactly how you feel. but the only thing you can do is wait and enjoy what you have untill your time is up.

reply to post by dreamwalker74


2012 is nothing. I can list you the works of prophets who foresee events past the year 3200! (and that's the majority of them) 2012 is becoming very similar to 9/11 - conspiracy capitalism. A popular theory that anyone, with a good level of English, can produce a decent book.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


I think that bill gates, among the other billionaires are giving half their wealth away, only now, because they know that the dollar will be worthless soon. They know they have more money than they know what to do with, so why not give it away for the few months its worth something. They don't give money away without some sort of catch. That is not how the rich operate. There has to be a reason behind the generousity. I believe that reason, is because they know the american dollar is finished, they kept enough to hold themselves over. Soon it will be paper. That's all money is, worthless paper. All we do is put numbers on it and say its worth this much. It's a system that is meant to crash.

Also, I have talked to family, friends, and random people about the worlds problems. None of them care, they all say its not their problem, they have enough of their own problems to be worrying about all the rest. Then they say I'm paranoid, that I should get laid, or go partying. So how exactly, can I help out, when everyone is so self absorbed? People don't care about a problem, unless it involves them directly. And by directly, I mean, right in front of their face, staring at them, perhaps after it has slapped them.

reply to post by infinite


2012 does seem to be a conspiracy nuthouse like 9/11 doesn't it?

But, before you can say it is nothing, you should take note of this statement.

People don't make up a conspiracy, unless there is something to make a conspiracy about. If the original story makes any sense, people believe it and don't question it. A conspiracy is only brought on when the facts to something don't make sense, or when they point to something entirely different than the given answer. 2012 has many of these anomalies. 9/11 has even more. And they all have good cause. Do you really believe the official story of 9/11? Are the conspiracies without just cause? Because they certainly seem just to me. There are many things pointing at 2012 as significant, so before you say, oh, its nothing.... perhaps you should just wait and see, or do the research. After all, the ancient civilizations we not stupid. There are things even today they we cannot understand how they accomplished. Which means they were more intelligent and had more of a connection with the earth than we do today. From pyramids to stonehenge, to monuments and ruins, the ancient civilizations of our earth, were trying to tell us something. To say its nothing, is just plain stupid. All we can do, is hope that we have mis-interpreted their message.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


Let's look at it this way.

If the dollar is finished, then so will every nation be, for much of their reserves were in dollars when the gold standard was dropped.

With everyone dropping the dollar, what other currency would they use? Nothing. Barter? How do you sell a computer for 2 cows? Or trade 20kgs of rice for 1 day's worth of electricity and what would the electrical company do with warehouses filled with rottening rice?

No. The system had been too entwined to unravel right now. That dollar is still worth something, considering the assets that US posssess, as well as an intelligent workforce and workforce. Should push comes to shove, the US military is still a force to be reckoned with. It is a stabilising factor, as well as its known honouring of rule by law unlike China or Russia, or unruly Europe.

Thus, the dollar will not demise, and will HAVE to be propped up by all the players. Too late for any regrets. And the feds will continue printing the dollar in the absence of hoarded wealth by the greedy Corporation elites, devaluing their holdings till they surrender.

The collateral for the prints will come in the form of loans by private investors to the Fed. We and our next generation will be sacrificed as slaves, but so too will all humanity.

It is one thing to be a slave unconciously, but quite another to do it conciously, for we know how and where that road to our slavery began decades ago, and it will be up to us to change that system so that all will have a fairer redistribution of wealth, slowly and peacefully, so that we this generation will be the only ones to pay for our apathy, and not the next.

This is not the best option, but the only option. To do otherwise will be to face extinction together through fighting with each other, as sides will be manipulated and chosen. None will survive.

Perhaps your social circle were wiser, for ignorance is at times peace...but at some point, they too must know why they had been made slaves, or our masters will not change and will take our cooperation as weakness, and continue to enslave us further.....

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


I didn't say it was nothing.

From what I've studied, it is a period of spiritual transformation and humans reattachment to the cosmos (according to the interpretation). The world will not end, because we know it continues after 2012. The calendar even states it.

I am far to tired to give you an intelligent reply right now.

However, you have a lot of faith in humanity to do the right thing.

Also, why can't the US government collapse on itself? The way its going, the US is broke, europe close on its heels. I can see both the US and the eurozone governments collapsing. I can see Mad Max not being too far off from the truth either. I don't think people can handle another economic collapse. I can see people taking to the streets, rioting, stealing, and taking all they can, because they can't make money, because they can't get a job, and the amount they get paid for those that do have jobs, isn't enough to live on. I can see people rejecting the dollar themselves, making it worthless. The military will only cause a civil war. Guess its time those FEMA camps got some use. But I'm tired, 3 am here and I'm not even sure if what i just said was english.

reply to post by xxshadowfaxx


No probs buds. Take a good rest. Things are usually clearer and brighter with a new dawn.

As to your prediction, It may not and need come to pass, for many more are rational. Humanity had come too long a way not to have faith in them. We may err, but we do have the capacity to correct it. It was the sacred US Constitution that made it possible, and the respect for Universal Rights of humanity, fought by both the humble generals to the simple foot soldiers,knowingly and mostly unknowingly. for our todays.

Just wanna add, I am insignificant and not even a genuis, not by a long shot, thus I have no solution to offer for a better economic system. The solution will come from and start with parents all over the world at a dinner meal sharing their issues with the family, with the children then discussing and debating such issues with their University professors, and through dining or golf games exchanging of views between intelligentsia with the biz leaders as well as the elected representatives will a solution be found.

It will not come from one man alone or from the barrel of a gun.

Cheers and good night.

[edit on 22-8-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

Ahh, bovine excrement!

Dude, I've been around the block a time or two... the world has been ending since I was old enuff to believe Ronald Wilson Reagan was the anti-christ because his name has 6-6-6 letters.

I've seen Barack Obama come and cant wait for him to go, I've read Sitchin and Planet X/Nibiru stories, read Edgar Cayce and apocryphal books of the bible. Seen the Hopi, Zuni and Mayan prophecies, Nostradamus, Mother Shipton and more.

I've seen death take people who should have had 30, 40 or 50 years more to go. All the while I've been asking to get off this ride they call "life"

Bottom line, my friend, is that you can skip out on your bills, say the world is ending in 2 years and the hell with everybody but what will you do on December 25th, 2012 when you don't have any Christmas presents for your friends and family because you thought the world was ending 3 days earlier?

Even if the world does end in 2012, that is no reason to live your life any different than if it ends in 3535. Go on, make the best of what you have and enjoy what you have been given. Live life, share kindness with others, love your fellow man because you truly don't know when your end will come.

[edit on 22-8-2010 by survivalstation]

reply to post by dreamwalker74


Dear dreamwalker ,

The same applies to me. 3 years ago i started my research (i mean real research ,not reading and believing but correlating facts using webbots & datamining ) . Yesterday I wanted to talk with someone about Puma Punku. That was a big mistake!!! I wont go in to details but it was pretty clear that he had the opinion that i needed professional help !

For MSN sheep it's like this 'Live is a bitch and ignorance is bliss'. Notting you can do about that.
Tell MSN sheep your research and they ridicule it. And even worse they question your mental health. As I write this i feel alone , I've a lot of friends a wife and a good job. But none of them can or will really understand what i'm talking about. Knowing the thruth is like dying. I'm pretty sure you feel the same, 10 years research Respect to you dreamwalker

Keep holding on
Keep holding on

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by Alethea

 

did you know that rabies is now air born all you need is to have a bat ,rat mouse come with in breathing distance, what is rabies, but a form of zombie, not knowing what one is doing, in a state of rage.

in the last days the sun will go as black as sack cloth, the moon shall turn red as blood, 2 suns shall appear, one in the east one in the west, the dead shall rise out of there graves and the sea shall cast up it's dead, should i stop? or keep going, i think people should know what is in store for them. if 2012 is the date, for no man knows the time nor hour when there will be the knock on the door, "for i will come as a thief in the night"

Good post, but if you read other bible passages though, you will find that God does want us to have knowledge and information about the end times. I think the more we know, the more we can preapre.

Luke 21:34 "Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap;

1 Corinthians 1:8 who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;

Revelation 3:3 So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. Therefore if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

I equate the term "thief" not as an unknown but as what it is, someone who steals something from someone else. In this case, the world as we know it.

Well, i gotta say, i'm dissapointed, the thing that's making this guy so scared he wants to kil himself, and the thing that's taken him ten years to find is just religious fable?

mate, fear, is their weapon against us, surely, if you've been into this stuff for ten years you realise that there's more to life than just what we see around us, and that death isn''t the end, there are many more realms of consciousness beyond the one we currently occupy, arent you curious? dont you want change, if you see how corrupt the world is? I mean this in the nicest possible way, but if you cant see the deeper meaning in all of this, and see how everything you find on the internet or elsewhere was only found by you to reflect something, some kind of knowledge back at you, if you're such a one track mind guy, no wonder you're so fulla fear.

Think about this metaphor, you can go into a dark room, and light a tiny match, and the whole room becomes illuminated, but you cant go into a lit room with any amount of darkness and take away that light.

and also, although my numer one belief is that everything is specific to the person, therefore, what i beleive is no more correct than what you beleive, i have also done my research into 2012 and although there are many conflicting theories, i find the one with the fewest holes, and that makes most sense (and in my opinion, is simply, what is going to happen, period) is this -

in the theory of relativity it says that matter is simply light with a low enough frequency to be perceivable by the senses, everything is light or sound, vibrations basically, tangible or intangible that is what everything that makes up the universe is, the cells pulsate, and they get their pulse from the brain, which gets its pulse from the heart which gets its pulse from the earth (schumman resonance) which gets its pulse from the supermassive black hole at the galaxy core, which, ultimately gets its pulse from the universe as a whole, what happens when somethings frequency is high enough? it is no longer perceivable to the senses, so, the increased complication of everything in human culture/civilisation/society going on in recent years is simply a reflection of the schumman resonance increasing in accordance with the fibonacci sequence from five, to 8 in 2009, and to 13 by 2012, which is the point when humans will ascend from the 4th world into the fifth, its not the end of the world, its just the end of the world as we know it, and only those with an open mind, and an open heart and that are aware will be able to comprehend what's happening and receive the benefits of it.

dont you think it kinda works in favour of the guys at the top, letting people beleive that we're just all going to die? if that was the truth, d'you think they would have let them release that stupid movie?

I dunno man, reality is what you make it, in a very literal sense, just, as long as you have this crippling fear, you aint gunna get very far.

reply to post by dreamwalker74


On the other hand, I don't believe ignorance is bliss my friend. At the very least the knowledge you have gathered may help you make the right choices if the world does end up as you expect in the next two years. Or even better, you may be able to help someone else cope with the changes that are coming.

Remember, fear is your worse enemy. Not knowledge.

Take care my friend and enjoy your life and don't worry about the future, only live in the present.

A Friend

Originally posted by packinupngoin
reply to post by dreamwalker74

 

This is the thing though if we have a mass extinction every 62 million years is there nothing left no where to hide no way to plan?
I personally have not really been "preparing" b/c there is no way to know for sure.
I remember when this 2012 hype first captured my attention...there was a article which i'm sure you've read that said safe zones and listed Africa as the safest because of the level of the land...but how true is this?

Note does anyone ever watch The Universe on the History channel?
Well I was watching it about 2 weeks ago and the scientists on there were talking about pole shifts while making absolutely no mention of 2012...
How odd.

Now this guy debunks 2012 in several of his videos and also on the NASA site. However there was a different video that I cannot find right now...of him speaking at a University...he does the same debunking thing...but then says "we have no way of knowing for sure if we are headed for a shift change".

Also whats even more interesting some of you may remember this from 2 or 3 years ago. On the 2012 wikipedia page it used to say Nasa predicts a pole shift for 2012...and then that was revised to Nasa predicts a solar maximum for 2013.

Okay, do I believe David Morrison/Nasa Space Scientist or the Original Thread Poster's 10-years of personal study.

[edit on 23-8-2010 by thepixelpusher]