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A loner, an object of ridicule and a 'rear-area pig': Adolf Hitler

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posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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A loner, an object of ridicule and a 'rear-area pig': Adolf Hitler


www.dailymai l.co.uk

In Nazi propaganda, he was a gallant First World War corporal who frequently risked his life.
Now the myth of Adolf Hitler's heroism in the trenches has been debunked by research revealing he was little more than a 'teaboy' messenger dubbed a 'rear area pig' by frontline soldiers.

No individual has been more scrutinized than Hitler, but detective work into the List by Dr Thomas Weber, lecturer in modern history at Aberdeen University, unearthed new evidence.


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...
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posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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So Adolf Hitler was not the courageous messenger boy in the first world war. A front line runner as we have been led to believe. Or at least this is the belief of historian Dr Thomas Weber. It would appear that Hitler instead was a subject of ridicule amongst his peers, and his work in the army was nothing that a carrier pigeon couldn't have done.

As you can imagine documents relating this information were severely altered before Hitler's rise to power. It would also appear, according to this new research, that Hitler's regiment were not the anti-Semitic Band of Brothers the Nazi party often stated.

Considering his position in the First World war I'm not sure how he became the man he did. The official party line was that the First World War radicalised Hitler.

The article is a really good read obviously to be taken with a pinch of salt as always. But still I find it highly believable. What I can't get my head around is the fervour with which he persecuted the Jews?...


Oh and apologies for the sources but no one else appears to be carrying the story as of yet.

www.dailymai l.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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whatever he was, his rise managed to stop the NWO in its tracks. with the middle east and africa fully under western control, it was only a matter of time before all the zionists could have been moved to palestine, and a 'greater israel' to be formed.

On the other hand he did save bankrupt germany, during his rule the country became prosperous. many inventions including the autobahn and jet engine.

love him or hate him, he did more change than those who write ill about him could ever dream of achieving.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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He did not really save a bankrupt Germany. He destroyed Germany. You cannot credit Germany's scientific proficiency to Hitler's Germany as the nation was a leader before he burned his way to the top.

I think only sad gits and revisionists "love" Hitler.

Regards



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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Well as they say history is written by the winners. This article, if the material is true, helps to dispel some of the Nazi mythology with which they garnered support, and idolised Hitler.

I think it is interesting to see the development of a character such as Hitler, and I would like to read unbiased material about his youth. As I mentioned in the OP I just don't know how you get to the point he did? Lots of myths regarding drug use and syphilis rotting his mind of course, but no conclusive evidence.

In regards to 'his' achievements. I believe that any National Socialist party could have brought Germany back from the brink, and perhaps without the quest for expansion, and inevitable downfall.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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Well call me a sad git for seeing the power in Hitler, I am far from a supporter more of an admirer.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 04:47 PM
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whatever he was, his rise managed to stop the NWO in its tracks. with the middle east and africa fully under western control, it was only a matter of time before all the zionists could have been moved to palestine, and a 'greater israel' to be formed.

On the other hand he did save bankrupt germany, during his rule the country became prosperous. many inventions including the autobahn and jet engine.

love him or hate him, he did more change than those who write ill about him could ever dream of achieving.





posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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Ha ha very good!


I sometimes amaze myself by how technologically inept I am!



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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there has been evil things said about people who were in fact good in their intentions.....I am wondering if Hitler knew something we didnt about the jews and tried to stop them while he had a chance......Much has been said that the jews are behind alot of evil crap.....

Its either people did not understand hitlers intentions, or people were made to believe he was evil (while hiding the truth)....
all for the sake of greed, power, control, NWO.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 05:13 PM
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Oh, for Heaven's sake. Clearly Jew haters (then and now) and Zionist conspiracy junkies get a kick out of siding with Hitler because of what he did and try to find any reason to excuse his actions as somehow gallent and admirable.

Hitlet was an evil and manipulative psycho who caused a World War which resulted in years of death and destruction. Kindly and fluffy he was not.

NWO - give it a rest. He was pushing for a NWO and thank God he was prevented.

Regards



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 05:20 PM
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Prescott Bush saved bankrupt Germany. When Hilter was at the beginning of his power they used to have to collect their wages with wheelbarrows.

Hilter was a puppett for the NWO. He was never meant to win and was only an instrument for the NWO to make money and control.

NASA is founded by the German war scientists and funded by the American people.

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posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 05:21 PM
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I have read quite a bit about Hitler, his life and his rise to power.

It is important if we are to prevent history from repeating itself that we understand fully the circumstances that led to his rise to power.

To do this it is imperative that one enters any serious study from an initial neutral viewpoint hard though that might be.

By far the best read I have found about him is 'Hitler' by Ian Kershaw.

A read of Kershaw's Wiki page alone provides suprising insight.
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 05:22 PM
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the word "jew hater" does not apply to me. but just as I am intitled to my opinion, so are you, as long as you do not call me names and mply further.

What I am trying to point out is, even though a person may apear to be crazy, sometimes there are very intelligent things going on in that persons head.

regards



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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First of all, the book is a must-read and a desiderata of historiography... I was able to sneek peek a chapter and it is truly amazing stuff. I wasn't even aware that there were still so many sources on Hitler from RIR 16. While some of these letters have already been used for standard Hitler-Biographies, many of them are new and quite enlightening.

As for the people talking about how the wonderful Hitler stopped the NWO... A few posts ahead the Antisemites will flock into this thread and categorically state that Hitler was the ultimate tool of the Zionist New World Order. I'd say only one of you two can be right. Or, what's even more likely, none of your are.

Such posts are especially funny when considering that "Neue Weltordnung" was a term quite popular among the second-rank Nazis of the day. Funnny how in German that's also NWO... (insert spooky music here)...

Of course, this thread could have been about the article, and that would have been interesting. But why do that if we can just post assinine blanket statements about our preconceived notions of what Hitler should be. Way to deny ignorance.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 05:34 PM
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Nazi Support of Zionism
www.jewsagainstzionism.com...

People who use the word "hate" in debates about this subject in complete disregard for the provable facts are as odiuos as Hitler ever was
the intent of this use of the word hate is to prevent the exposure of the truth and the exposure of the real antisemitic forces that support zionism.

NK back up your opinion with some facts or is it maybe youare the one who is incorrect...as is usually what is implied by the use of "anti semite" as an epithet in order to stifle debate.

pS I will only quote Jewish sources from here if that makes you feel better.


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posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 06:04 PM
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OK... so... anyones thoughts on the article?...

Nope...

The other material being discussed can be found elsewhere on the site. Thanks for the replies anyway folks!

Freeborn what do you think about the article itself, having read a good deal about this character. Would you agree with Dr Thomas Weber's analysis of the material?



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 06:47 PM
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Hitler in WW1, far left, under the "X"




posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 06:59 PM
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I found the article to be an opinion piece.
The type of references and quotes expected from even an average thread at ATS would give it the much needed meat that it lacks.
It does cast doubt on the stereotypical antisemitic stance Hitler is purported to have had...but it only offers vague assurances the work it is commenting on is not just another piece of propaganda itself.
Since the book is really being supported on Jewish web sites and the author is lecturing at Israeli universities on the contents of the book, and because it is not labeled a holocaust denial, I think it is prolly ment as a hit piece.



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posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 07:26 PM
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Hitler was politically aware prior to WWI and was fervently Nationalist.
However, there are conflicting reports on how anti-semetic he was, and it is generally accepted that he was by no means the rabid Jew hater he subsequently became.
Previous evidence suggests that he became heavily politicised and developed his deep hatred during the complete and utter political and economic turmoil that was post-war Bavaria and Germany.

There is limited hard evidence of Hitler's war time experiences.
He was regarded as determined and dilligent in carrying out his duties and the very fact he received the Iron Cross 1st Class suggests he was also capable of acts of great bravery.

Hitler was promoted to Corporal relatively early in the war.
The fact that he didn't receive any other promotions, despite his decorations, leads many to believe that his superiors had reservations about him.
If he had important patronage it would be fair to assume he would have progressed futher through the ranks.

It is unclear just what his messenger duties were but as he was injured and gassed it is fair to assume his duties took him to the frontline on occassion, probably quite regularly.

Infantry and other frontline soldiers had contempt for most messengers and support personel who they thought had soft postings.

It is known that whilst Hitler was respected for his attitude to his duties he was indeed a loner and didn't mix and socialise well.

It is generally accepted that he was a vegetarian tea-totaller, this would have been considered strange, quite odd and even un-manly by the vast majority of Germans then and would have further isolated him from the crowd.

We know so little about Hitler's life up to his emergence as the leader of NDSAP and every source will be scrutinised by professional historians and enable us to re-evaluate what we know and help us understand how he became what he did.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 07:32 PM
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The article is a really good read obviously to be taken with a pinch of salt as always. But still I find it highly believable. What I can't get my head around is the fervour with which he persecuted the Jews?


It is likely that Hitler was the illegitimate grandchild of a branch of the Austrian Papal Rothschild Family.

This would explain a lot of things including his now just revealed cushy job as a rear area messenger in the army.

Why he only served six months in a luxury prison on a five year sentence, basically long enough to write his first book.

How he attracted the bankers and industrialists to finance him and his party, both in Germany, the UK and the United States.

Why when Austria was annexed the SS made a mad dash to secure his original birth certificate before any of his opponents could get access to it.

When you study World War I from the Newspaper archives versus the Textbooks you get a very different picture of the War and events, with the Balfour Declaration addressed personally to Lord Rothschild of the London Branch of the Family promising land in Palestine for a Jewish/Zionist Homeland.

The London branch of the Rothschild family had virtually taken over the Zionist movement after edging Herzl out possibly poisoning him to get control of the movement.

Rothschild was funding the movement including the costs of moving Jewish and Zionist immigrants into Palestine.

Yet the truth is, very few of Europe’s mostly cosmopolitan Jews wanted to leave first world city life, to rough it in Palestine, give up businesses and ties to their communities, and endure the other hardships that would have entailed.

To have a viable Jewish/Zionist State it required having a critical mass of numbers of Jews and Zionists be in place in Palestine and immigration was sporadic and slow.

Lots of Eastern European and Russian Jews who were basically illiterate peasants for the most part were happy to go, but Rothschild didn’t envision them as ever being the type of people who could forge a viable self sustaining nation, but just likely to live off his own charity in financing the endeavor as long as he was able to provide.

Hitler’s persecution of the Jews made Palestine a more attractive alternative to European Jews and became the impetus for many to move there who would not have normally moved there.

My own belief is that World War I was fought to reestablish a state of Israel for the purpose of using it as a manipulative tool along the lines of Biblical Prophecy by the powers that be, to be the central focus point for future events that would drive the world to a one world government being orchestrated by the international banking cartel and elites.

That World War II was fought in large part to repopulate Israel once the mechanism for a legal Israeli State had been set in motion during World War I.

That’s where Hitler came in, Rothschild blood, Rothschild funding, Rothschild plans.

Papal Rothschild plans.

All Roads Lead to Rome.



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