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Originally posted by slopeofyourmind
reply to post by ChrisF231
There are many Mexicans (of direct Latin decent) who have never had to worry about sneaking over barbed wires to preserve their well being. The so-called invasion from Mexico consists of people who have been forced into poverty and vagrancy for centuries because of their racial make-up. These were the indiginous people of Mexico who were treated slightly better than slaves when the Spanish first arrived there and started colonizing. They weren't killed off like the native Americans were, but they continue to be discrimated against in terms of housing and jobs even though they now greatly outnumber the decendents of Spanish colonists who own most of habitable land. It's human nature for the well off to persecute the less fortunate. People like to feel superior and the sense of ownership. However, those qualities in men are what led to the current immigration crisis. The immigration crisis could also be referred to as a moral crisis and that would be more accurate IMO. For an illegal alien who rents a small apartment after much hard work, he might be the first person from every generation of his family who was honored as a human being and allowed a decent place to live. For that reason I have no problem with "illegals".
Originally posted by Frontkjemper
It's almost like they want illegal criminals coming into the country...
Originally posted by airspoon
If this is indeed true, it is very telling of how we confront our sovereignty and those who seek to destroy it. In a way, I feal sorry for our border patrol because if they have to use deadly force, the Mexican president will be sipping wine with our president, discussing ways to prosecute the border agents who dare do their job.
It is our government selling us out to the Mexican government and instances like this are onkly going to become more prevalent.
Originally posted by Sphota
I just would like to know how many of you concerned with the "poor job Obama is doing in securing our border/protecting our sovereignty" are also "freedom loving Americans"??
My reason for asking this question is the following:
***Obama has clearly been scapegoated with not protecting the border. Now, I really don't want to be tasked with defending him to your "side," but as the frame is consistently provided and narrated in that way, the response must be tailored appropriately. (Though my point here is not to really defend him at all as you will shortly see.)
***As such, the Republican "Team" - such as Lindsey Graham, Governor Brewer, Dick Army, Sarah Palin, Rick Scott (candidate for FL gov.), Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Boehner, Sheriff Arpaio, Sheriff Babeu, TUSD (Tucson Unified School District) and others involved have proposed (and/or support) the following legislative initiatives as a counter-punch to the supposed lack/disdain/slothfulness of the Federal Gov't (the Democrats/Obama):
1. Expansion of Police Powers
2. Elimination of "cultural studies" (and addition of corporal punishment) in TUSD
3. The stripping/altering of the 14th Amendment
4. Closing the border
Ok. Let's think about this for a second. Remember, be careful what you wish for. Once something has been introduced, it's hard to change the system to change it back, which includes any future "adjustments" to the law that are not part of it when it passed/passes.
Now, you get the police with more powers and those of you who like your rights might not immediately see a change in how you are treated, but give it time before you are stopped and harassed for no reason (Without the AZ law such stop and frisks are up some 20% in New York).
Eliminating this or that cultural study by mandate opens up a precedent to eliminate others..."This book does not frame American history correctly...let's remove it - not just from a class, but from the library as well." "That teacher told the students a candid history of colonization, let's fire her."
No more automatic citizenship...going to have to work for the right to be a citizen, perhaps mandatory service of some sort? Conscription?
You know, in Brazil, you are a non-citizen if you do not do your two years of service...can't vote, can't get a loan/credit, can't get a federal ID...do you really want to start down that path? Those are left-overs from the Military Dictatorship there, but arguably once the mindset is there, it's there for good and hard to change back.
Does closing the border entail ALL borders? Does it entail both directions - i.e., can WE leave as we see fit even though THEY can't come in as they see fit??? Be careful what you wish for.
And now with the Muslim "YMCA" up in Lower Manhattan...hmmm, be careful what you wish for.
A Florida church scheduling a Quran burning for 9/11/10 - be careful what you wish for.