posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 12:30 PM
Sup, yallz. First off, I need to say that this is in no way an Israel-bashing thread. Although I may not agree with their policies towards the
Palestinians, or even the existence of a state justified soley, IMO, by religion, this thread has nothing to do with that. What this thread IS about
however, is the die-hard support of God's supposedly "chosen people" by Christians even in the face of evidence that show a history of human
rights abuses and a falling away of the principles their religion was supposedly founded on. In the same Bible Christians use to justify their support
of Israel, their God, it seems, has a different view of Israel as the supposed "end-times" draw more near:
Ezekiel 11:2 And YAHWEH said to me, "son of humanity, these are the men who devise iniquity and who give wicked counsel in this city;
Ezekiel 11:6 You have multiplied your slain in this city, and have filled its streets with the slain.
Ezekiel 11:7 Therefore thus says YAHWEH GOD: Your slain whom you have laid in the midst of it, they are the flesh, and this city is the caldron; but
you shall be brought forth out of the midst of it.
Ezekiel 11:11 This city shall not be your caldron, nor shall you be the flesh in the midst of it; I will judge you at the border of Israel;
Ezekiel 11:12 and you shall know that I am YAHWEH; for you have not walked in my statutes, nor executed my ordinances, but have acted according to the
ordinances of the nations of the world."
Ezekiel 20:34 I will bring you out from the nations and gather you out of the countries where you are scattered, with a mighty hand and an
outstretched arm, and with wrath poured out;
Ezekiel 20:42 And you shall know that I am YAHWEH, when I bring you into the land of Israel, the country which I swore to give to your fathers.
Ezekiel 20:43 And there you shall remember your ways and all the doings with which you have polluted yourselves; and you shall loathe yourselves for
all the evils that you have committed.
Ezekiel 20:47 say to the forest of the Negeb, Hear the word of YAHWEH: Thus says YAHWEH GOD, Behold, I will kindle a fire in you, and it shall devour
every green tree in you and every dry tree; the blazing flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from south to north shall be scorched by it.
Ezekiel 20:48 All flesh shall see that I YAHWEH have kindled it; it shall not be quenched."
Ezekiel 22:2 "And you, son of humanity, will you judge, will you judge Jerusalem that bloody city, and bring home to her all her abominable deeds.
Ezekiel 22:3 You shall say, Thus says YAHWEH GOD: Woe betide that city that sheds blood in the midst of her, that her time may come, and that makes
idols to defile herself!
Ezekiel 22:4 You have become guilty by the blood which you have shed, and defiled by the idols which you have made; and you have brought your day
near, the appointed time of your years has come. Therefore I have made you a reproach to the nations, and a mocking to all the countries.
Ezekiel 22:5 Those who are near and those who are far from you will mock you, you infamous one, full of tumult.
Ezekiel 22:6 "Behold, the princes of Israel in you, every one according to his power, have been bent on shedding blood.
Ezekiel 22:7 Father and mother are treated with contempt in you; the sojourner suffers extortion in your midst; the fatherless and the widow are
wronged in you.
Ezekiel 22:8 You have despised my holy things, and profaned my sabbaths.
Ezekiel 22:9 There are men in you who slander to shed blood, and men in you who eat upon the mountains; men commit lewdness in your midst.
Ezekiel 22: 18 "son of humanity, the house of Israel has become dross to me; all of them, silver and bronze and tin and iron and lead in the furnace,
have become dross.
Ezekiel 22: 19 Therefore thus says YAHWEH GOD: Because you have all become dross, therefore, behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem.
Ezekiel 22:20 As men gather silver and bronze and iron and lead and tin into a furnace, to blow the fire upon it in order to melt it; so I will gather
you in my anger and in my wrath, and I will put you in and melt you.
Ezekiel 22:21 I will gather you and blow upon you with the fire of my wrath, and you shall be melted in the midst of it.
Ezekiel 22:22 As silver is melted in a furnace, so you shall be melted in the midst of it; and you shall know that I YAHWEH have poured out my wrath
Ezekiel 22: 25 Her princes in the midst of her are like a roaring lion tearing the prey; they have devoured human lives; they have taken treasure and
precious things; they have made many widows in the midst of her.
Ezekiel 22: 26 Her priests have done violence to my law and have profaned my holy things; they have made no distinction between the holy and the
common, neither have they taught the difference between the unclean and the clean, and they have disregarded my sabbaths, so that I am profaned among
Ezekiel 22: 27 Her princes in the midst of her are like wolves tearing the prey, shedding blood, destroying lives to get dishonest gain.
Ezekiel 22: 28 And her prophets have daubed for them with whitewash, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says YAHWEH
GOD,' when YAHWEH has not spoken.
Ezekiel 22: 29 The people of the land have practiced extortion and committed robbery; they have oppressed the poor and needy, and have extorted from
the foreigner without redress.
Ezekiel 22: 30 And I sought for a person among them who should build up the wall and stand in the breach before me for the land, that I should not
destroy it; but I found none.
Ezekiel 22:31 Therefore I have poured out my indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath; their way have I requited upon
their heads, says YAHWEH GOD."
I understand this entire post is pretty much quotes from the Bible, but that’s the whole point. It seems many religious people are more swayed by
the opinions of their pastors, political leaders, and communities than they are by the actual words of the God they follow. I have nothing
what-so-ever against religious people, and I don’t want this to become a thread about the existence of God, the validity of religion, or the bashing
of those who choose a religious path in life. My only question to those Christians who defend Israel’s actions is this:
If God didn’t defend them, why should you?
edit: if this is in the wrong topic, pls move it thx
[edit on 17-8-2010 by mooseinhisglory]