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Originally posted by mwm1331
Personally the fact that he didn't jump up and run, that he stayed and spent a little more time with those kids shows an undeniable humanity in the face of overwhelming pain. He knew we were under attack, and that he was in a known location and thus vunerable but he took a couple extra minutes to try and spend a litlle time with our nations future. Maybe he was just trying to remind himself what he was fighting for.
Originally posted by mwm1331
The bottom Line is strangelands, You don't like the president or the republican party and so you look for information to support your beliefs.
He is a deserter
He led your country, by lies and deceit, into an unjustified war.
He has acted against the best interests of the American economy in the name of short-term and simple-minded popularism
He has caused the deaths of thousands, soldiers and civilians alike
and, most importantly, he has taken the rich heritage, strong spirit and cultural dynamism which made your country great, and turned the US into a country which is, at best, a joke, and, at worst, a pariah.
an office which the people of the United States denied him in 2000.
He is a convicted criminal
Originally posted by StrangeLands
Originally posted by nyarlathotep
Is it just the norm to focus on the President who is currently in office?
Bearing in mind what PrankMonkey already wrote...
I believe that the anti-Bush feeling around the world is far too strong to be dismissed as a predictable backlash against an incumbant leader. Though I don't agree with the "mindless" Bush-bashing which takes place - as PrankMonkey observed, a lot of people just do it because it seems to be popular, and the "insane" comments don't add anything to an important political debate.
I'll try and be concise.
Bush wasn't elected.
The farce in Florida in 2000 was disgusting, that much is obvious. I know many Republicans who've told me they would condemn Bush as an interloper - but he is a Republican president, and that has to count for something. I say: crap. You just have to look around ATS at the threads regarding the election in November - "who knows what stunt the GOP will pull this time to get their boy back in the Oval Office?" - to see that the 2000 election damaged democracy itself. Who is to blame for this? Well, although it was obviously a team effort, the short answer is Bush. He should admit that he screwed the electorate, and step down.
Bush is stupid.
And, of course, only passingly familiar with English. I realise we live in a dumbed-down soundbite world, but I still expect our leaders to be literate, thoughtful men, not denim-clad hicks who can barely string a sentence together - and worse, parade that ignorance like it's a badge of honour, the flag of the "common man".
Bush invaded Iraq illegally and - worse - stupidly.
Personally, I think we should have gone into Iraq long ago, to remove Hussein from power. But it should have been done under a UN mandate, with the approval and the agreement of the whole western world. Bush's rampage through the middle east in the name of the oily dollar, however, has compromised the integrity of the "civilised world", outraged enormous numbers of people, caused uncounted deaths, increased the threat of global terrorism, and shown a flagrant disregard for the sovereignty of another country.
WMDs. Al Qaeda. Bin Laden. These were not "intelligence errors", and they were not "honest mistakes". They were flat-out lies - and here's a thought: when Republicans start protesting that Bush could only be impeached for lying under oath, it's a tacit admission that even they think he's a big lying bastard. When your supporters are saying that most of your lies aren't legal basis you get you impeached, it's time to go, Junior!
Ah. I feel cleansed.
Now I'm not an American. I agree with some of the things the Republican Party stand for - not all of them, by any means, but some. But I believe that Bush is a bad president, and that he has sold out the potential of America and of Western Democracy.
Hate him? In all honesty, probably not. But I do want to see him impeached, humiliated and punished - not so much for what he's done, but as a warning to those who come after. The American people need a president who represents the very best in their national character, a president who acts as a leader at home and an ambassador abroad, a president who is a statesman and an inspiration.
Does anyone - anyone - think that description matches George Dubya Bush?
Originally posted by CazMedia
Your not even in the USA to be a loser, stop perpetuating subversive statements here that dumb people will read as fact.
Originally posted by CazMedia
Plus I totally agree with the assesment that we Americans could care less about what our neighbor thinks, let alone your country.
Originally posted by CazMedia
Hate him on some real issues, not hyped word of mouth passed along from one drunk at the bar to another.
Oh yeah, we also funded and supported Saddam when he fought Iran, and we gave him components to build the chemical weapons that he used on the attack on the Kurds,
He failed the test as president when he sent the troops with hearsay and no hard proof. I do not care if every world intel officer told him that Iraq had WMD or links to Alqeda. He should have demanded pictures or satelite images or some HARD proof that an immenant threat existed before commiting the US Armed forces to an invasion.
I could have supported bombings, missles, even attempts at Saddams life with less than hard evidence, but what I cannot accept from a President is to put our soldiers in harms way with limited intel and 0 proof of anything.
He should have been patient and let the inteligence develope to show a threat to us before invading Iraq.
Originally posted by CazMedia
Hmm, I think its very interesting to see people upset with the President over his expressions of religious beliefs, but then read a post like 27jd's where he uses religon as a tool as well.
27JD, are you advocating that the Saudi's should have let Osama and his underworld group subvert Iraq instead of trying to allow legitimate nations to try and oust an invading dictator? Are you supporting destabilization thru terrorist means?
if you really think just because they "sold" their ties to the big oil industry that Bush and Cheney arent still players in it indirectly, Im sorry.
And Bush's ties to the royal family and his ownership of the oil industry in the middle east put him knee-deep, smack dab in the middle of this whole mess.
And were you trying to deny that we supported Hussein and provided him with materials for WMDs? Do you think they thought he was a "good guy" back then?
at what point was I using religion?
John Kerry, who has won THREE purple hearts, and ONE silver star, or George Bush, who hasn't won anything and went AWOL from the military.
"Now this is a conspiracy site. Imagine your father never came home from Vietnam. As chairman of a Senate committee looking into allegations of MIAs in Vietnam, Kerry defended the Vietnamese. He even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as "professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos."
Now how would someone that thinks this way, think of all of us here at ATS?
(Those who scream that ATS has spooks and disinfo agents take note!)
Scratched for three Purple Hearts? Any scars? Kerry demanded his tour of duty be cut short by 2/3rds? Regulations require that to be awarded the Purple Heart, the wounded must be treated for an injury, caused by enemy action by a medical officer. Kerry never saw a medical officer because the wounds were so minor.
Certainly wasn't caused by "enemy action" was it?
He also asked the draft board for a one year deferment, so he could visit Paris to sit out the war. The draft board refused, so he joined the Navy to hopefully see little or no action.
Winning a Silver Star for chasing and killing a vietnamese who was already wounded (or already killed) by another swift boat crewman? Most interesting... People have been tried and convicted for war crimes doing the same thing.
Admiral Zumwalt said of Kerry, "I don't know if I should give Lt. Kerry a medal or a court martial for all the civilians he's killed. I want to put a straight jacket on Lt. Kerry."
Kerry used "murder" and "atrocity" to describe other soldiers actions in Vietnam were made in "anger" and really not accurate. So today he admits that he lied back then in "anger"? Can we expect him to lie to us in office out of "anger"?
My fiancee is in the Naval Reserve. Did Kerry fulfill his Navy Reserve obligations or devote all his time to anti-American demonstrations? I wonder if by encouraging the enemy, he has an idea of how many soldiers and sailors lost their lives?
Kerry wrote a book entitled "The New Soldier" showing mocking pictures of the Iwo Jima memorial. 7,000 Marines died at Iwo Jima, including three from the famous photo. What does that say to those dead heros?
He states that he voted for the war, but now states that he was only voting for the "process" of the UN putting pressure on Iraq. I would love to see the word "process." Ninty-nine US Senators can't find the word "process" in the bill that they voted on.
And finally, how can service men and women respect a Commander who would called them all war criminals, demonstrate against them and refuse to believe the idea that some could have been left behind."
Who do you think would be a better war-time leader?
OF COURSE they are indirect players theyre the top 2 people in our government....however i believe youve overstated his importance here with
I dont believe Bush actually owned or controled anything directly in the middle east, i believe he was more domestic in his past endeavors.
And NO DUH that the Saudi ruling family and the Bush capitalist family have had ties for decades....these families were already the wealthy ones in positions to be involved in these "high end" type of relationships....how many influential families do you think a nation has in each industry? mabey a handful? Im not suprised that interactions by the families in "power" have taken place for a long time. What other "players" have there been in the field of energy/oil?
NO and NO....In fact, BECAUSE we gave him the WMD's, we know he HAD WMD's, where are they now? Also, since we did give him thhese things, IRAQ IS OUR PROBLEM...we helped create this situation, and its our responsibillity to clean up our mess there.
You used Jesus 3 times while trying to use Bush's religion against him for your point...thats using religion, even if only to "turn the tables" on Bush.
Sure, I guess its not important at all, considering onwership of the corrupt companies they have ties to, and award contracts exclusively to, belong to their buddies who still pass the money on to them through "contributions", so forgive me for "overstating" the importance of American soldiers lives for $$$.
Really? Dubya didn't own an oil rigging outfit off Kuwaits coastline? It was back around the time of that little skirmish we called Desert Storm, and probably one of the main reasons Bush #1 was so quick to rescue Kuwait, he was rescuing his sons investment. But I'm sure you'll respond back with a more noble reason.
These interactions by the families in "power" are likely soaked in corruption.
you would think the royal family would put an end to anti-Americanism in their society, being that they are one of the main purveyors of it, and they could easily end it as they are one of those evil governments that rule with an iron-fist.
Where are they now? Ask several dead Kurds and Iranians. I love the video of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussein, that says it all. And then, all of the sudden Bush decided we had done wrong and would clean up the mess his administration created? I dont think so, that was not his motive and you can retort however you like, but Bush does not care about the Iraqi people. We're not stupid.
From my first post on this thread, I have endeavoured to explain and expose the manifold regions behind the almost-universal disdain felt towards your pseudo-President. I have referenced and linked to many, many documents which detail the charges against him, and some which provided extra colour and different perspectives.
The response has been naught but obfuscation, denial, personal insults and a tidal wave of semantic and legalistic prestidigitation. Rather than engage in a debate on the subject of Dubya’s obvious stupidity, mwm1331 plucked the word “dyslexia” from the air and declared the subject off-limits.