Originally posted by TrueLies
My posts may not be civilised compared to others, but at least they don't lack factual information, thats right factual, wish you could say the same
for yours??
Now, now TrueLies, didn't you mother teach you it's rude to interrupt when grown-ups are talking? If all you have to offer is barely-legible
nonsense and rabid personal attacks, maybe you should go take a nap.
Oh, and I'm glad you found someone who agrees that "exhuberate" is a word - even if they clearly disagree with you about what it
means. But
still, everyone should have a friend.
Originally posted by Scat
But hes got balls.
I have no argument with that, Scat, the man clearly has balls of steel - either that, or has doesn't really understand how much his country hates
him. I posted this "
Bush Hears No Dissent" link earlier, but you might find it
interesting. Maybe Dick and Donny tuck him in at night and tell him that he's the most-beloved President since Bill Pullman in Independance Day, and
he goes off to sleep with a happy smile on his face...
Originally posted by Gazrok
If this man gets re-elected (and he likely will, despite all efforts), we are sliding fast to WWIII.
Thanks for your post, Gazrok. I was really concerned that no Republicans whatsoever had turned against Dubya, and it's nice to know that there are a
few who will put morality and justice above party politics. I applaud you.
I hope you're wrong about it being too late. I still believe that the great American people, if only they could see Dubya clearly, would have him
out on the sidewalk before the end of the day.
Originally posted by CazMedia
Where have you been hidding, I think the USA has been hated and despised for quite some time now, for many reasons, and most of us citizens here are
fed up with being the target of hatred and threats, thats why I really dont care what the world thinks of the situation with Iraq.
I really don't know where you get this from, Caz. Yes, I'll admit there's been an antipathy towards the US from France and other European
countries in the past, but it's been good-natured, and, by and large, friendly.
I really can't argue your feelings of persecution - it's not the sort of thing you can measure in facts and figures - except to say this: there is
no-one in my social or professional circles who had a bad word to say about America until Bush was handed the keys to the Whitehouse - against the
will of the people, I may add - by the Supreme Court. Under Clinton, we all loved you guys; your charming, intelligent, sax-playing President was the
best ambassador your country ever had!
We supported and empathised with you in the wake of the WTC tragedy. We supported - politically and militarily - the invasion of Afghanistan, because
it was the right thing to do. But then your pseudo-President got greedy, didn't he? He fabricated stories about Weapons of Mass Destruction and
links between Al Queda and Iraq. He twisted military intelligence, the media, and the American people to pursue his own personal vendetta against
Saddam.
And
that, Caz, was when the world turned against you. Beyond the tiny minority of ignorant xenophobes which you get in any country on Earth,
you must realise that we don't hate you, and we don't hate the US - we hate
Bush. I'm sorry that you feel victimised, and I'm sorry that
you're
wrong - it seems that the "hatred of America" is just one more lie told by the Bush junta to manipulate and control the American
people. Your next vacation, you should come to Scotland - you'll be met with nothing but hospitality and friendliness.
I dont need linkage to 9-11 in order to recocgnise a brutal dictator, one that has shown himself time and again, in order to realize that
something had to be done.
And it doesn't bother you at all that Bush lied to the American people about the war? I agree that Saddam should have been removed from power, but
Bush did it by telling the American people that they were under threat from Iraq - a blatant, stinking lie!
I agree that the UN should have been stricter with Iraq, but that doesn't give your gun-toting "President" the right to ignore the wishes of the
international community, and declare war on a sovereign state just because Daddy didn't tidy up properly! Had Bush said "Look, Saddam's clearly a
bastard, he needs to be removed from power," a lot of people on this side of the Atlantic would have agreed, me included. But he didn't. He lied
about WMDs. He lied about terrorist links. He lied about a "clear and present danger". He lied and he lied and he lied, and he's still lying
today. He made it seem that America was protecting itself, when he was indulging his personal grudge against Saddam.
As I said above, I backed the actions in Afghanistan. The American soldiers who died out there were true patriots who died defending their homeland;
but the American men and women who died in Iraq were not giving up their lives for the US, or for the flag, or for
you - they died in the name
of the macho fantasy of the Man Who Stole The Whitehouse.
Two more points. Firstly, Bush did not win the election, and I shown ample evidence to support my case earlier in this thread. There is no way in
which a civilised country should be under the thrall of the choice of the minority - and if he got in by abusing the system, maybe it's time you
changed the damn system.
And secondly, I agree that there is more to leadership than being led by focus groups, and I admire a man who can the difficult decisions. But that
only works if the "difficult decisions" are in the best interests of the country you're supposed to be leading! Bush hasn't
done what's
best for America, he's used your military and intelligence services to pursue his own personal agenda, just the same as you would use the office
photocopier for personal stuff, or surfing ATS while you're at work - the difference being, of course, that people don't
die because you take
advantage of a perk of the job.
Respect the tough decisions. But make sure they're the
right decisions.
But there's one thing above all other that I hope you remember when you face the ballot box in November. The war in Iraq
was not necessary -
and Bush is personally reponsible for every single death.
