Lucus And The Return Of Planet X!

reply to post by Austexdude


first time i hear that one before about the spiral

i connected the dot with astronauts talking about huge alien bases on the moon ....with the faked moon landing mission ...
they do connect together for many obvious reason
National Hero and sixth man to walk on the Moon comes clean

the gov did maybe the right choice to cover it up and make a fake moon studio .. the astronauts didnt want to go there since they were warned by something .. the mission was cancelled but the show wasnt cancelled for the milions of people watching it
nasa couldnt afford of not going to the moon
so they had to fake it (Plan B) since the mission went wrong and the astronauts probably didnt want to set foot beside huge menacing alien bases with their huge ships
what do you think of that theory its plausible like the theory of nibiru
but hard to proove it to the world .. to the human mind to be the real deal

now you have connected many dots
that spiral by the way .. it is just beautifull .. love the picture
i though of the spiral to be a hyperdrive travel
maybe a ship came from that spiral .. and was cloaked in seconds

of course the government will cover any truth with a lie to cover another lie that cover the truth.. they do that all the time
so i didnt beleive the russian missile thing doing circles
imagine if they released the real info .. that this spiral is a omen
telling something huge and bad will happen
or it was alien .. people will bo BOOM in their head
panic and riots everywhere

if you are like me on the quote that it has to worsen to get better
go read the thread in my signature

i will continu to watch your vids about the spiral info
so far im in the second video and its interesting
rajaten posted one of ur vid to me .. its his fault
i will comments soon on your facts and speculations
we have to say speculations because some hardcore skeptic critics love to jump on the terms facts :bash:



[edit on 8/31/2010 by Ben81]

reply to post by Ben81


There are few facts in the Lucus junk presentation. All he does is present his opinion and then say he is giving out facts. Right there is a lie.

The spiral happened not as Lucus presents it. Did you hear where he suggests that the Russians would never shoot a missile over Obama? What did you think of that claim? Oh, please tell me.

Cycles and more cycles

(Includes John Major Jenkins covering 26000 year cycle)

reply to post by stereologist


i just edited many statement in my previous post
had to add more

even real facts today a debatable
they are still speculations ... facts = the real truth
but there is many possible truth ..
thats why its hard to conclude thats the real fact...
i prefer to call them up speculations...
i have many speculations that i think are the facts ... but its my opinion
we were so much manipulated and lied by the head of states.. that we have hard time beleiving in anything
the only thing you can answer to Locus in a good respectfull manner
is yes you have some points its plausible
but hard to know real true events ..
those spirals drawing are dated from many thousand of years old
they are many petroglyphes indeed .. i saw them many time in pictures
didnt put much thought on it since it can be anything .. even a galaxy
but he did connected the dot with the spiral .. and the drawings have some similaritities ..
he can actually be right on many things
we cant denied any researchs, opinions or any theories
one thing im sure .. we CANT trust what the gov said
so because of that all theories can be plausible but not factual
if i was there at a event .. they i can tell you its a fact
but i wasnt there where the spiral were made
to ask the questions to the guy who made it

look at 2012 ... so many theories
i have made one myself (in my signature)
all of them if they have good points .. of course they can be real
that why we need to balance between both sides
skeptik and open minded (just between) .. if you go to close to one of them ..
your minds can have more complication understanding all the possibilities and it will be more hard to see the truth from a lie

[edit on 8/31/2010 by Ben81]

reply to post by Ben81


Name me a single one of the popular 2012 theories that have any hard credible evidence as backup...just one!

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Ben81

 

Name me a single one of the popular 2012 theories that have any hard credible evidence as backup...just one!

.. you want me here all the night or what
its hard to tell you one .. some are extreme some are silly other are plausible and even the theory that nothing will happen is plausible

the popular ones are mostly fearmongerer:
polar shift
WW3
second coming of christ
nibiru coming back after a 60000 cycles
the age of enlightment
alien will appear to the world
a meteorite coming
earth exploding ..
nothing happening at all

thats why i cant wait until 2012 .. and its so soon
can you imagine we are in 2010 ... the countdown is almost at 0
many fear that date but from my part i feel excited by it
i feel i was sent here for that date ... so i think it will be the age of enlightment ... because of ... a predicted ww3 ??? people real be good after lol or because alien will show themself with some mothership or with nibiru possibly approaching
dont know but like i said many time
it has to worsen to get better
thats why we need 2012 .. im waiting for it .. i will not go hide in a bunker
i will go take a beer on my roof and let the show start

reply to post by rajaten


Just prove the existence of one cycle. Tossing out meaningless junk means absolutely nothing. I guess they haven't taught you that yet by 7th grade.

Why don't you try to assemble some dates and show us even 1 cycle. You can try on the 3600 cycle by showing how those dates you plagiarized indicate that a cycle exists.

reply to post by Ben81

facts = the real truth

Actually, that's not correct. It seems that English may be a second language. If so that may be why you are having trouble distinguishing the difference between truth, fact, and opinion.

No, Lucus is not plausible. He lies and misrepresents. Take the part in the video where he reads half of a sentence from the wikipedia to misrepresent the IRAS data. That is at the start of video 2. By reading half of the sentence he purposely misleads the audience.

He claims that the spiral drawings are thousands of years old. That is a lie. They are mostly from 800 years ago. He claims that the petroglyphs are 3600 to 3800 years old. That is a lie. He lies to mislead you.

we cant denied any researchs, opinions or any theories

Sure we can. We can dismiss Lucus, Mother Shipton, Cottingley fairies, Piltdown Man, kidney theft stories, and other claims built on lies.

both sides skeptik and open minded

Skeptics are open minded. They are oen to the evidence and evaluate it. The believers in this hoax perpetrated by people such as Lucus are close minded and refuse to look at the evidence.

reply to post by MrXYZ


The most realistic evidence that is possible is either another great depression followed by another world war III. Just open your eyes and see how our country is slowly falling apart.

reply to post by stereologist


a fact mean a evidence about something ... its a proof in other terms
im here on ATS ..... THATS A FACT
and you got the big proof just in front if your eyes reading me ..
but it doest tell you WHY and by what way i came here to connect to ats
im maybe connected wifi from a earth satelite directly from Mars
or i dont use my finger to type .. i use my mind to push button on the keyboard

.. so mmm yes a agree with you lollll
even the word fact .. has just been debunked now
every speculations are debunkable .. like any other facts

not all people have exact detail all the time but have just connected a few piece of the big puzzle..
even if he is correct on one little things
that would be enought to research more the subject and explore new theories..
nobody can have perfect answer about speculation like this ..
maybe some gifted medium that see others people life
will ... but research for something like this
is almost impossible to know the entire truth all the time
thats why even the mayan for 2012 .. we are still not sure of what will really happens..


[edit on 9/1/2010 by Ben81]

reply to post by rajaten


damn and I had to be born in the Iron age and it is just going to get worse from here.

.... Using my .. Theory of Everything...
.... Nibiru .. Is Earth... case closed..
.... Peace ... and I will see you on the new earth some where in time ...

reply to post by dragnet53


...using Theory of Everything... you are in one of the best times the End Times... .. we are Generation X .. the Generation of the Crossing ..)crossing of space time...
...So .. you experince the Best of timeS... Throught out the Ages Of Man..

reply to post by Ben81


No, you do not know what fact means. You also show that you do not know what other words mean: proof, truth, theory, and so forth. That's okay. No problem at all. We can work on that. Most people do not know what these words mean.

Facts are things we believe to be true. We believe them to be true, because the facts have been checked. Let's check out an example. Suppose I pick up a rock and let go. It falls to the ground. A fact is that a released rock falls towards the ground. It's believed to be true, but we haven't tried all rocks in all places.

Facts are not proof. There is no way we can be 100% certain that a fact is true. Sure testing makes it seem that it is very likely to be true, but there is a difference between being pretty sure something is true and being 100% certain.

Can a fact be shown to be wrong? Yes. It happens. Just because we believe something to be true doesn't mean we are 100% sure that it is true. It is rare for a fact to be overturned, but it happens.

Using the word fact to mean something that we believe is true we can check out one of the claims by Lucus.

In the videos Lucus claims that most petroglyphs are between 3600 and 3800 years old. He claims that is a fact. Is it? A quick check of dates shows that there are methods to date petroglyphs. Most are about 800 years old. Are there places where most petroglyphs are 3800 to 3600 years old? I could not find any. The overwhelming majority of petroglyphs are younger.

It seems this "fact" is indeed a lie. The purpose of the lie is to add support to the claim of a non-existent 3600 year cycle.

reply to post by stereologist


.. during the creation of the Galaxy.. there once where 2 _+earths..
...so I understand better than you seem to realize.. thanks I hope you see in time..

reply to post by Vonour


What does this mean? I see no context or even meaning to these fragments.

reply to post by stereologist


..we are in a 2 dimensional .. exsistience
..upon the creation of the Galaxy .. there where 2 equal exsistences.. which spiraled throught the galaxy meeting up with it sefl creation a space time rift within the galaxy ..
...Need I say more.. Life is an illusion of.. space time.. through out time..
..Peace and I will see you through time..

reply to post by dragnet53


So now you're espousing a WWIII scenario. I'm going to ask you flat out right now, what do you think is going to happen in 2012 and do you think that's the correct date. It's hard to keep up with you when you're throwing around things like war, elections, end of the world, Nibiru, etc. while jumping between dates.

reply to post by Vonour


Do you have any evidence for any of these claims? Is this your own speculation or is this some other person's idea?

What does any of this have to do with Lucus or 2012?

2012: 1048 pink unicorns (one will be completely yellow) will descend on earth and fart rainbows, making the earth a wonderful place to look at, but also really smelly because those same unicorns live entirely of garlic clams.

Proof? Why would I need proof? I can just claim whatever, it's 2012, it WILL come true

Why would a WW3 be attributed to 2012? There's constantly wars going on, and even if there were such a thing as WW3 starting in 2012...how can any logical person say it's because of 2012 and not because of economic/political/sociological reasons?

I'm sorry guys, but you all fell for an elaborate viral marketing campaign