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reply posted on 17-8-2010 @ 07:05 PM by ghostsoldier


The Greens give their preferences to Labor because they are comprehensively the lesser of two evils, and because of the two party system, the votes eventually go to the 2 biggest parties.

So the Greens have just cut out the middle-men and used it to gain a better political advantage for themselves (ie more senators) which is good for us.


reply posted on 18-8-2010 @ 07:45 PM by damn_ummmm
The lesser of two evils?? Are you for real?

Hang on... how many billions of dollars is Labor spending on faster internet downloads????? 43 I think... 43 Billion dollars, that's an obscene amount of money isn't it? For what it is...

Seriously, we HAVE NO MONEY but we can spend BILLIONS on faster movie downloads... we can borrow BILLIONS to pay for it and get NOTHING BACK from it.... We (the Australian public) didn't even get a say in it and it's only FIXED LINE anyway!!!

But hang on... aren't we a mobile community now?? I'm pretty sure a massive amount of us have mobile phones with internet, not to mention laptops with wireless broadband... this NBN will do NOTHING to make that better...

Straight from NBNCO's website home page
NBNCO
First point even states:

The NBN will connect 90% of all Australian premises with fibre-based services with 10% connected with next generation wireless and satellite technologies, subject to final design.



10% wireless.... hmmmm.....

Yeah.... THAT'S money well spent when we don't have enough hospitals and our schools are full of asbestos so we'll build them new sheds because that's not what they need...

Are you frigging kidding me?

The fact that the Greens are supporting this rubbish is just one reason to NOT vote for them! And you can say oh no, they don't support that, they'd put a stop to that blah blah the fact is.. the Green preferences are going to Labor so yes, they do in fact support this rubbish!



reply posted on 18-8-2010 @ 09:05 PM by ghostsoldier
reply to post by damn_ummmm



The high speed fibre optics will set us up for the next 30-50 years - you lack imagination if you think its all about downloading movies.

I'd rather pay a big sum now and get something that lasts, than miss out on the revolution of technology that potentially follows.

ETA - not to mention, high speed wires will require thousands of more towers to be built, and they'll have to have fibre run to them anyway.

Peak speed of 12mb/s download with bugger all upload VERSUS 1000mb/s up and down...

Its not hard.

[edit on 18/8/10 by ghostsoldier]


reply posted on 19-8-2010 @ 06:32 PM by damn_ummmm
reply to post by ghostsoldier



Dude for the average Aussie... what do you THINK they'll be doing with broadband????

WE HAVE NO MONEY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you understand that?? Seriously... are you one of these people that spend up big on your credit card and pay back the minimum monthly payment because it's easier that way??? Then after 10 years your STILL paying back the original $2,000 you borrowed but have actually paid about $10,000 in interest???? You're not?? Well this government seems to be!!

Wake up Ghost... we're in a hell of a lot of trouble if the NBN is considered a 'good idea'.

Surely you can admit there are WAYYYY more important things in this country to spend $43 BILLION DOLLARS on.... if you can't then there is no hope at all for you my friend, none.


reply posted on 19-8-2010 @ 09:32 PM by undinism
Talking about debt (of our country)

The only point of having a surplus is to that we are able to run up a manageable debt whenever a recession hits. The government debt used to stimulate the economy keeps people in jobs, helps the economy bottom-out in a way that's higher and softer, rather than crashing through the floor, and allows for quicker recovery. The problem with trying to recover this debt too quickly , partly through increased taxes, but mainly through cutting services (ergo) jobs, is that you pull money out of the economy, stop people spending and make the recession worse. If anything we are probably going into financial austerity too early. Watch Europe and the US. They've been running budget deficits consistently for years, and its gotten to the point where, now, when they really do need to dip into deficit, the debt risks becoming unmanageable.

The difficulty with all of this is that people tend to think of sovereign debt in the same way they think of personal debt. But the role of government is not to manage the budget, but also to manage the economy. If you focus too much on the budget bottom line the bigger picture goes out the window. Government's are in a much better place to manage debt, since the long term bond rate is lower (because sovereign risk is lower) than private/commercial interest rates.

Long story short, government debt, handled correctly, is nothing to be scared of, and certainly not at our 6% of GDP. Much of the time its better than the alternative. When the liberal party carp on about the need to slash public debt quickly, just ask yourself, who benefits and who loses?


For a sovereign debt 101 crash course

[edit on 19-8-2010 by undinism]


reply posted on 19-8-2010 @ 10:19 PM by ghostsoldier
reply to post by Dock9



You know Dick Smith payed the court fees for a law suit bob brown won to protect the forests...


reply posted on 19-8-2010 @ 10:51 PM by damn_ummmm
reply to post by undinism



Thanks for the lesson.. but it's not the spending of money I disagree with...I'm all for keeping the economy stimulated.

It's what they're spending the money on that I have a problem with.....


reply posted on 19-8-2010 @ 11:20 PM by vkturbo
i suggest you go and view a video on you tube called julia gillard treason link below view all 4 parts of it
www.youtube.com...

There is also this as well if you prefer to read it alot of info here

www.larryhannigan.com...

For all that are like, yeah I'm going to vote the greens in , they are the same as labor. There is no difference between the two , the greens are there for people who don't agree with Labor's policies they stand for the same thing watch the link and you will see.


reply posted on 20-8-2010 @ 03:10 AM by vkturbo
reply to post by Dock9



you might like to know if you do that you are in affect voting Labor your better off just getting your name marked off and walk out no blank paper


reply posted on 20-8-2010 @ 03:13 AM by vkturbo
reply to post by Nventual



You do realise that there is copper line from the street to the house right? So your you beut speed isn't going to be there anyway only if you own a new house and actually pay for optic to your house.


reply posted on 20-8-2010 @ 04:09 AM by Nventual
Originally posted by vkturbo
reply to
post by Nventual



You do realise that there is copper line from the street to the house right? So your you beut speed isn't going to be there anyway only if you own a new house and actually pay for optic to your house.

I don't exactly agree with the NBN, I think the idea needs a lot more work.
I was really just defending high-speed internet as the "to download movies faster" line pissed me off.


Originally posted by vkturbo
reply to post by Dock9



you might like to know if you do that you are in affect voting Labor your better off just getting your name marked off and walk out no blank paper

Amen, holden brother.

[edit on 20/8/10 by Nventual]
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