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posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 04:30 AM
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reply to post by Sinter Klaas
 


My family isn't very religious at all. My mother was baptised as a Roman Catholic, but doesn't really practice at all, and my father...is something. Maybe a deist. I had to travel a lot as a kid, and also went to a couple of muslim countries. At one point I got tired of all the labels attached to me, and decided to justify a couple of them. When it turned out I wasn't really in tune with some of what Christianity had to offer, and after a cursory glance at some other stuff, I settled with Islam.

On topic, I'm pretty sure the "Real Englishman" (in the sense that the OP probably meant) doesn't exist anymore, but I'm not sure that is a bad thing. I visited London a couple months back, and I don't think I met a single "Native Englishman"
. But would we want to lose all that? I think it adds to the flavour. I dunno what I'd do without the occasional curry, or kebabs
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Thing is, the "Real Englishman" isn't dying out, just changing a bit, evolving. Some people say that immigrants are coming over and "taking over our identity", but that is not so. They aren't replacing English identity with their own (the indians/arabs/eastern europeans certainly aren't like that back in their home countries), they're adding to it and enriching it.

An example is India. Did you know that it was made up of hundreds and hundreds of different states, cultures, groups and religions? Over the course of the centuries, they all merged together to form what is the wonderfully diverse and beautiful India (and Pakistan and Bangladesh, of course). Sure, occasionally the Sikhs may cause a few problems, or the Muslims may rise up, or the Naxalites (Maoists) may rebel, but without them, it wouldn't be India!

I suppose that I can understand a sense of loss of what some perceive to be the "English Identity", but if you want that, just go to one of the less urban areas. Because the urban areas were losing their "Englishness" long before immigration became a problem. Again, as an example, when I went to London, I wanted to bring back some practical souvenir for my friends, but I really couldn't think of anything!

I didn't want those little magnets or models of Big Ben or Westminister Abbey, because they'd just be put on some corner table or packed away in a cupboard and forgotten. I wanted something usable, and practical and "English" (like when I went to Spain, I bought a couple of wine-skins and hand-fans and spices- useful stuff that represented their culture). You know the only thing I could think of to get from London? One of those big black umbrellas with the curved handle
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Those "Real Englishmen" were losing to commercialisation and urbanisation and globalisation (not exactly the same as immigration) long before immigration came around to being a problem.

[edit on 17-8-2010 by babloyi]




posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 04:48 AM
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I'm quite secure with my own Identity, the fact I live in England is good enough for me. I dont feel the need to wave flags or march to prove my englishness. There are things that concern me much more than Islamic extremism in England. When I walk through my town on a friday and Saturday night, it is not Islamic extremists I fear, it's normally the pissed up teenagers trying to be hard.

I'm not denying there is a problem with extremist Islam in certain parts of
this country, I just dont see how I should use this as something to make me feel more English?

I would suggest the OP has a slight insecurity issues, maybe that comes with having split loyalties



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 05:14 AM
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Firstly I cant remember posting this thread because I was drunk when I did., But I have to say that im not insecure or have divided loyalties.. I see islam as a big problem because it is in the area I live... Ask 99.9% of those english born (including those of african/asian origin) and they will tell you the same thing.. There are huge underlaying tensions around here where the building of a contraversial mosque in dudley has become "the line in the sand" that will ignite the people around here to act..

Examples of how islam has taken over can be seen in most shops, businesses, work places, social housing and the list goes on... The government are to blame because it has created this entitlement culture within islamic circles., The councils bias to muslim families in terms of housing where someone like me who has fought for this country has to wait two years on a waiting list for a house whilst they get priority is just one of the many things.. But speaking about it is racist apparantly!



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
well I am not english but an american, may I respond? I can't really comment on how great your nation is but your women? ooh la la! I find british women and their accents extremely sexy!

dont feel bad if anything I gave your thread a bump


Errr I take it you have never been here right?? I mean in England.

I'm a 36 year old English man and I can't stand English women.... these are the typical traits that you may find in an average ordinary English Woman...

Power hungry, money grabbing, self-centred, egotistical, manipulative, drunken, no sense of consequence, no empathy, sleep with anyone so long as they get something out of it e.g. money, status etc.. Careless, thoughtless, heartless, irresponsible, attention seeking, liars!!

Trust me I know, I've dated many women and I can honestly say that in every one that has been English these traits show themselves, not necessarily in that order but they are there.

I am happily married now with two amazing kids, my wife is Asian, she is certainly not perfect, but isn't like the above!!

Do yourself a favour and avoid English women at all costs!!

Korg.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 05:35 AM
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I have never dated an english woman in my life.. Quite accidental too. Irish, Australian, Israeli, Jordanian, American, Russian and German.. Have to say, i dont think i missed much either..

My lass is a Jordanian ex muslim with a fowl temper when crossed as I found out the morning after i wrote this thread with a stinking hangover and a pissed off Jordanian woman giving me the death stare and a list of chores to get done! Our daughters have got that down to a tea too! May HaShem have mercy on their poor future hubbies!


[edit on 17-8-2010 by Yissachar1]



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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I think you are right. The English started losing the English identity from the moment the started building an empire.

I have a few different views on what is English.

1. The legal alien in America, Hugh grant character. ( From his movies.)
2. The angry and violent one. ( Hooligans, teen gangs...)
3. The cocky one. Who appears to be gay and feels better then others.

Prejudice is no stranger to me.


I never met any English person. I've met Irish, Scottish, Welsh and so on... The English seem to avoid me.

PS

I'm curious. What did attract you in Islam what you did not find in the others ? U2U me if you like. it's not really on topic.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 11:58 AM
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I think your crazy mate and unlucky. yes i've been with some of those English women you describe but your missing out on the clever pretty and self respecting ones. Look harder, maybe they are avoiding you for passing on your judgement too all women.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Do yourself a favour and avoid English women at all costs!!



I think the correct thing to do would be to avoid marriage at all costs!
2nd line



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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You have just insulted my mum, my gf and half of my family and friends all in one go.

Not cool,

i dont think you can tar ALL English women with the same brush, im sure them traits are evident in some women in every nationality and it is for the most part a symptom of the broken society we live in these days.

Please think before you speak

Moosevernel



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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OK, I read the OP and didn't get a hint of what it was that you wanted to say. Seems like a lot and it got garbled. Can you break it down for me? The Commonwealth would like to speak. Just not to Prince Phillip. He probably thinks we all live in igloos and eat whale blubber. Damn, Liz could have done better. Eddie VIII kinda makes sense. He had to get away from those guys.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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reply to post by intrepid
 


Phil The Greek is an inter-bred, retarded buffoon, as is his eldest son.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by moosevernel
reply to post by Korg Trinity
 


You have just insulted my mum, my gf and half of my family and friends all in one go.


I didn't say ALL English women are like that, just the majority and please don't get me started on 'Yo Mama' jokes please


I happen to be a very well travelled individual, I've been around the world more than twice. I have seen things that most people would spend their whole lives crying about.

Trust me when I say this, For the most part English women have the worst attitude towards men, love, life and relationships as compaired to any other country I have visited.

And I did think and I did speak and that is what I personally have found. I don't think it's a question of bad luck because this is not just an assessment of women I've dated it's an overall assessment of almost every English woman I have ever known.

It may not be nice but it happens to be the truth.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Korg.

[edit on 18-8-2010 by Korg Trinity]



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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My friend, after meeting both of them in person during my service, I could not agree with you more. Charlie never deserved Di. I met her on more than one occasion. She was one of the most charming and beautiful women that was my honour to meet.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
reply to post by Freeborn
 

My friend, after meeting both of them in person during my service, I could not agree with you more. Charlie never deserved Di. I met her on more than one occasion. She was one of the most charming and beautiful women that was my honour to meet.



Dianna was one of the most selfless people I have ever met. She was a picture perfect lady. She actually reminded me alot of July Andrews
.

Dianna never wanted attributing for the good work she did, she did it because she wanted to do as much good as she was able.

The thing with Dianna was she was a little naive to believe in the fairy tale that was the beginnings of her life with Charles, but like all positive people she was able to use her position to do great good.

My experience with Charles on the other hand was totally different he was dismissive and would not engage in true conversation, just asked questions then didn't really listen to the answers before cutting you off with another question.

Lady Dianna is one of the English Women that all English women should aspire to become more like.



Korg.

[edit on 18-8-2010 by Korg Trinity]



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 04:40 AM
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Have to agree... I cant stand the royal family.. Those in bred vampires have sucked the blood of the people of many countries for way too long.. Worst thing we did was put the monarchy back in place after the civil war.. This country started to take off with men like Cromwell at the wheel, in fact the golden age of England largely came from him
I would not see another Englisman or woman die because of one of those scum suckers family squabbles...



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 05:07 AM
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OK you went from this...



To...



Do we have to say anything else?

Also, remember, you were colonized and taken over by the Romans.

[edit on 8/18/2010 by whatukno]



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
OK you went from this...



To...



Do we have to say anything else?




That was Ace Thanks!!


Stiff upper lip to stiff neck from laughing lol


Korg.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 05:26 AM
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Diana was brought into The Royal Family as fresh breeding stock as the bloodline was becoming too inter-bred.
Of course Major Hewitt helped as well.


If Charles ever ascends to the throne it could well be the death knell for The Royal Family.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 05:28 AM
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I would deffo go sick with a stiff upper neck lol


There is nothing wrong with cutting down trees, wearing high heels, suspenders and a bra, or wanting to be a girly just like my dear old ma...
Its ok to be a lumberjack in Canada too...



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 05:32 AM
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Whilst I despise the religious bigotry of Cromwell I do feel we need a modern day Cromwell to help force Parliament to become what it is intended to be; a reflection and repesentative of the people, and wholly accountable to the people.


Oliver Cromwell Speech - Dissolution of the Long Parliament
Dissolution of the Long Parliament by Oliver Cromwell given to the House of Commons, 20 April 1653


"It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!"

www.famous-speeches-and-speech-topics.info...



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