reply to post by Sinter Klaas
My family isn't very religious at all. My mother was baptised as a Roman Catholic, but doesn't really practice at all, and my father...is something.
Maybe a deist. I had to travel a lot as a kid, and also went to a couple of muslim countries. At one point I got tired of all the labels attached to
me, and decided to justify a couple of them. When it turned out I wasn't really in tune with some of what Christianity had to offer, and after a
cursory glance at some other stuff, I settled with Islam.
On topic, I'm pretty sure the "Real Englishman" (in the sense that the OP probably meant) doesn't exist anymore, but I'm not sure that is a bad
thing. I visited London a couple months back, and I don't think I met a single "Native Englishman"
. But would we want to lose all that? I think
it adds to the flavour. I dunno what I'd do without the occasional curry, or kebabs
Thing is, the "Real Englishman" isn't dying out, just changing a bit, evolving. Some people say that immigrants are coming over and "taking over
our identity", but that is not so. They aren't replacing English identity with their own (the indians/arabs/eastern europeans certainly aren't like
that back in their home countries), they're adding to it and enriching it.
An example is India. Did you know that it was made up of hundreds and hundreds of different states, cultures, groups and religions? Over the course of
the centuries, they all merged together to form what is the wonderfully diverse and beautiful India (and Pakistan and Bangladesh, of course). Sure,
occasionally the Sikhs may cause a few problems, or the Muslims may rise up, or the Naxalites (Maoists) may rebel, but without them, it wouldn't be
I suppose that I can understand a sense of loss of what some perceive to be the "English Identity", but if you want that, just go to one of the less
urban areas. Because the urban areas were losing their "Englishness" long before immigration became a problem. Again, as an example, when I went to
London, I wanted to bring back some practical souvenir for my friends, but I really couldn't think of anything!
I didn't want those little magnets or models of Big Ben or Westminister Abbey, because they'd just be put on some corner table or packed away in a
cupboard and forgotten. I wanted something usable, and practical and "English" (like when I went to Spain, I bought a couple of wine-skins and
hand-fans and spices- useful stuff that represented their culture). You know the only thing I could think of to get from London? One of those big
black umbrellas with the curved handle
Those "Real Englishmen" were losing to commercialisation and urbanisation and globalisation (not exactly the same as immigration) long before
immigration came around to being a problem.
[edit on 17-8-2010 by babloyi]