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Originally posted by guohua
reply to post by mryanbrown
Let me see their Visitor Visa Stamped In Their Passport.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
reply to post by guohua
Uh huh, you're the one making it a racial issue. Spouting things like "La Raza". You brought that up not me.
You're saying they're letting illegal aliens, which are UNDOCUMENTED RESIDENTS to apply for a drivers license.
I say they're allowing VISITORS who crossed the border LEGALLY staying at a family members house WHILE VISITING to get a license to operate lawfully on the highways
Can you prove they crossed illegally and aren't just here visiting?
Huh? Can you?
It disgusts me seeing someone who claims to be an L.E.O automatically jumping to the presumption of guilt, and not that of innocence with the burden to prove guilt.
Thanks for ruining the system for the rest of us.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
reply to post by ker2010
I'm sorry, an entire "theory" that I neither postulated or presented that you inferred is now out the window because of a single individual?
I'm so confused.
Three states — Washington, New Mexico and Utah — allow illegal immigrants to get licenses because their laws do not require proof of citizenship or legal residency.
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Three states — Washington, New Mexico and Utah — allow illegal immigrants to get licenses because their laws do not require proof of citizenship or legal residency.
So now the view is that the Feds should step in and override these states rights? Maybe the Feds should just take over the process of issuing IDs from all the states, since we never know when some soft-on-illegal-immigration state isn't going to crackdown on them the way AZ has. Yet when the Feds seemed to be interfering with AZ's new law, it was a huge deal of encroaching on state's rights?
Originally posted by mryanbrown
reply to post by guohua
Now you're projecting, and insulting.
I am a natural born America, with full family lineage. I am a white Anglo-Saxon, also proper English blood.
I've presented legitimate situations which prove you wish to violate rights and presume guilt without evidence only suspicion. This is fundamentally against our liberty, and as such that is Unamerican.
Don't be petty and resort to stereotypical rhetoric about the fact I must be this or that because I disagree with you.
Why don't you logically present your argument rather than making blanketed statements.
I could except ignorant, or bigot. If you can show where I'm making statements as such. But you can't.
Because I'm not for isolationism I must be pro "open boarders"? What is that.
Originally posted by ker2010
Show me in the constitution or show me a federal law that says illegals have the right to a drivers license.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
reply to post by ker2010
There's so many fundamentally incorrect statements in this scenario that go against every issue brought up in this thread.
We're not even talking about flying. If we were, OF COURSE YOU WOULD NEED A PASSPORT TO ENTER INTO THE COUNTRY. NO ONE IS DEBATING THAT. Stop stretching to link your assertions to far-fetched unrelated scenarios.
The issue is ONCE YOU ARE HERE.
Once someone is here, you wish to invade someones privacy upon the suspicion they are here illegally. And in order to do that, you must naturally risk the rights of those that are here to do so.
Which means under the law you can only invade that privacy upon commitment or attempted commitment of a crime which you can account for. Not PRESUME to SUSPECT.
Due process?
4th Amendment?
Right to privacy? liberty?
Search and seizure?
None of this has any relevance in the arguments presented, the only matter of point you will listen to and debate is "they're here illegally". Oh well then be my guest risk violating my rights, or the rights of my fellow citizens because you THINK and don't KNOW.
Originally posted by ker2010
Show me in the constitution or show me a federal law that says illegals have the right to a drivers license.
Show me where in the Constitution it says the government has the right to institute a license to travel.
[edit on 15-8-2010 by mryanbrown]