reply to post by Mooradian
You seem to be confusing "Muslim" with "terrorist". Not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslim.
Islamic Extremists (YES THEY ARE MUSLIM, DEAL WITH IT, IF YOU CANT CALL THEM WHAT THEY ARE DONT EVEN RESPOND) have killed thousands upon
thousands, by beheadings, torture, bombings, gunfights etc.
Sure and they should get what's coming to them, however we have killed and tortured far more people, innocent people at that, than they could ever
imagine. Remember, it is us who is over there, not the other way around.
Even if you believe that Islamic extremism is responsible for 9/11, it was us who was over there first. It is western governments who ship weapons
money and soldiers to their lands and these things wind up oppressing them. It is western governments backing brutal dictators who abuse their own
people, such as the case with the Shah in Iran.
Furthermore, many Muslims don't like Americans for our blind support of Israel and their genocide against the Palestinians. It is America who is
supplying and allowing Israel to do what they are doing. It is the ignorance of the people who allow their government to do it.
Islamic Extremists abuse their women HORRIBLY.
That is your perception. I'm not going to deny that women are abused over there, but where are they not abused? Many, if not most, women agree with
their customs and religion. In fact, western customs and the Christian and Judea religions have their own staples against women. Take for instance the
hijab. While you might find this offensive, they don't. Are American women oppressed because they have to wear shirts in public?
For the Muslims that do abuse women (stoning, beating, killing, etc..), you can't distribute blame across the entire religion. That's as stupid and
silly as blaming all Christians for child sexual molestation. In fact, just as many Christians abuse women physically, mentally and sexually. You
could even venture to say that Christians and westerners are far more prone to sexually exploit children.
The moral of the story here, is just because a custom may be different than your own, doesn't mean that it is wrong. Who are you to impose your will
Women are abused everywhere and it isn't indicative of Islam only. To talk down on Islam for the abuse of women, is ignorant. Is it not in the
Christian bible that you shouldn't pick splinters out of the eyes of your neighbors when you have a plank in your own?
Islamic Extremists have been the cause of 70% of world conflicts directly or indirectly.
Any sources for this? I think that is wholly inaccurate. Many of these "conflicts", I'm sure can be traced back to the western world. It is us who
arm and instigate these conflicts and it is often the US who is backing brutal dictators such as the case in Saudi Arabia and the former Shah of Iran.
We do it in Latin America as well.
The point here, is that it is ignorant to focus on Islamic extremism without knowing the conditions that cause that extremism. Furthermore, to talk
down on Islamic extremism, while ignoring our own extremism is ignorant and hypocritical, at best.
We are no angels either and in fact, it is more safe to assume that our own extremism is far worse. I'm not saying that Islamic extremism isn't bad,
only that we shouldn't ignore the deciding factors. Who are we to call out the atrocities committed by others, when our own atrocities are far
I happen to think that Islamic extremism is horrendous, though I think our own policies are more so and this Islamic extremism is because of our own
brutal policies. We can't complain about that which we create.
For instance, if I constantly bully my neighbor, stealing from him, beating his wife, raping his children and preventing his family from eating, I
really have no ground to stand on if I complain when he murders my entire family.
p.s. please excuse my haste in this reply. I had to pump it out quick, as I'm late for a dinner party.