Originally posted by DISRAELI
Originally posted by Tsaphan
144,000 can not be symbolic of a multitude that can not be numbered..
They can, because calling them 144,000 is not "numbering" them.
I argued in the OP (under the heading "Who?") that this is a symbolic number, carrying the meaning "The fullness of God's people occupying the
fullness of God's world".
There is no reason why "the fullness of God's people" should not also be the "multitude that cannot be numbered".
That which has been is now; and that which is to be has already been; and ELOHIYM requires that which is past. Ecc 3:15
Look to the past to see the future, How YHWH did it in the past, Is how He will do it in the future
Moses and Aaron were deliverers that led One Assembly out of Egypt, the Greater Exodus is like He Did it in the past but this Time, the Whole Earth
And YHWH will create upon every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and upon Her Assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by
night: for upon all the glory shall be a chuppah. Is 4:5
According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I show unto him marvellous things.
The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf. Micah 7:15-16
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the ADONAY shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people, which shall be
left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the
And He shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four
corners of the earth. Is 11:11-12
As I live, saith ADONAY YHWH, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched
out arm, and with fury poured out.
And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you Face to face.
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of Man. Lu 21:36
The Woman with the twelve stars/ Tribes of Israel
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of ELOHIYM, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and
times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Rev 12:6,14
You have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto Myself. Ex 19:4
Was Everyone a Deliverer when YHWH led His people by Moses and Aaron out of Egypt ? No, But many died because they rebelled against their authority,
and just because you come out in an assembly, It doesn't mean you will enter the Dabar Land.
And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against Me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn,
and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am YHWH. Ez 20:38
As He did it in the past, Is how He will do it in the Future
And Deliverers shall come up on Mount Zion to judge the mount of esau; and the kingdom shall be YHWH's. Ob 21
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 1 Cor
When YHWH shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory. Ps 102:16
Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve
Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve
Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve
Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude
, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before
the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;