Revelation; 144,000, page 11

reply to post by GBP/JPY

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In the attached thread I looked over the various references to the "crowd in heaven", including the second 144,000, and argued that they were the same group as the first;-
The church triumphant

The key to the situation is that Christians are on earth and in heaven at the same time- "..made us sit with him in the heavenly places" Ephesians ch2 v6

Originally posted by St Udio

i would begin with this 60 second reading material


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this symbolic place...mount Zion
is a place where a group (144k) of individual DNA humans congregate ?

mount zion can be either:
temple mount,
jerusalem itself (the part un-trodden by the gentiles)
or greater Israel (the spiritual Israel, not the UN created State)

mount Zion is the anthisis of the Babylon...even Mystery Babylon
mount Zion is the antithesis of 'Egypt' (the spiritually desolate Egypt not the vital nation itself)

i gotta side with the OP on this one...

hope i made some sense with the above

edit on 31-5-2011 by St Udio because: (no reason given)

Very close, and I love your take on much of this posting. I will help add to what you said here with a few clarifying notes.

Mountains prophetically can be used to refer to governemnts or nations. Mount Zion is the Governemnt of God/ Kingdom of God on Earth.

Mt Zion is the antithesis of Babylon (governemtns of mankind lead by Satan in this age).

The 144,000 congregate (come together) in Mt. Zion (the Kingdom of God). Becuase they ARE the Kingdom of God.

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