reply to post by shamus78
Hating muslims is wrong. But you must not start loving them for whatever they are.
The religion of Islam spread from Saudi Arabia to all of Asia, Africa by conquest and invasion. Infidels were given a choice between Allah and
Finally this is all it is about. ( I understand that there peaceful conversions in Indonesia etc. but majority was through violence. )
See I can understand your concerns about hating muslims. You rightly fear that it could spiral into a neoNazism. (if it already had not)
But you must understand that Islam itself has a Nazi component.
See the situation is simple. Some people (mullahs) interpret Quran for many people. It is their word that is relied upon by all muslims.
The people who run the show from Saudi arabia/madarasas of different countries think they are superior.
Extremist Muslims believe sincerely that allah is there on their side. They also believe that even if their numbers are small, it matters not because
Allah is on their side. So nothing will stop them. We understand this is madness. But there is no way anybody can talk them out of it.
Now the question of moderate muslims, peace loving muslims. These people are simply not in control in any muslim country that make a difference.
Please understand that.
When the STHF, they cannot help you. It is not because they are bad, but they also must choose between their life and death.
You said you are living with 2 muslims. You can ask the following questions to them and any moderate muslims you find. Don't ask liberals who
support moderate muslims as they would not have any clue.
1. Are moderate muslims in west willing to raise their children in their home countries if they can afford a high standard of living in their native
country ? Are they willing to live in the social climate of their native country and raise kids ?
2. What is the state of alternate opinions with respect to religion, social structures, family etc in a muslim majority state ?
3. Can atheists, liberals (of the western strain) exist in a muslim majority state, if yes what would be their societal status ?
You cannot build a church/temple in Saudi arabia ? Ask them why they would say there religions are false and hence they should not be allowed to
flourish. What are the moderates doing there if they exist at all .
Now ask them why they are wanting to build mosques in foreign countries, they would say it is because Islam is the true religion and hence it must be
I come from India where about 1/5th of the population is muslim. There are riots every few years due to fundamentalists in muslim and hindu religions.
But the point is muslims who are a minority in India have a separate civil code granted by the country's constitution. which means the state cannot
enforce civil laws enacted for the rest of the population (made of hindus, christians, buddhists, jains etc) on muslims. They have their laws for
marriage, inheritance etc derived from Quran and would follow that only.
The state can intervene and reform other religious traditions. But it does not dare to do it on muslims. You guess the reason for it. Why are they so
This would happen to the West too, already it has started happening and the friction is evident by the burqa bans in France etc.
Let me tell you something, when the muslims start getting powerful and start demanding more segregation ( like shariah) the moderate muslims would
remain silent. They will not side with you. Ask your friends if they would confront their extremist brothers ? If there are many muslims they would
not try to integrate into your society, they would demand segregation and special treatment, demand for islamic law for themselves instead of the
prevailing law of the land etc.
All these facts are real, confronting them is not being racist or islamophobic.