reply to post by MY2Commoncentsworth
Thanks for taking the time to check ot those sources, I actually starred both of your replys, excellent work........But I don't know about talking to
yourself like that....... ????
Doesn't everyone talk to themselves?
I am always open-minded when it comes to considering what others have to say. I will check out other people's sources, ATS can be as much a
cooperative effort as it can be an adversarial one at times. Ideally we are all here to learn from each other.
My positions are never set in stone, just my desire to base them on the highest quality of information there is, is set in stone.
Tracking down the real documents wasn't hard once there was a case number.
What disappointed me in most of the sources you provided is they should have been getting their information from the source too, the Appeals Court
Decision, yet they made no reference or link to it.
As a conspiracy theorists the things people aren’t sharing become as important and often more important than the things people are sharing.
Going straight to the source of the information, the actual Court Documents without the emotions and opinions and editorials involved in blogs and
news media reports will get you the facts as they were presented in a court of law by people under penalty of perjury and sworn oath.
By the way our courts are also religious courts, as you to have to swear an oath to God and promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
Ultimately it is God that is the source of the court’s power based on divine rights of kings (Roman) and Talmudic law. That is why the courts will
rule differently sometimes too when it comes to deeply religious people. The courts do view religious laws as valid as long as they don’t interfere
with the laws of the land (King).
This is also why the State will accept Talmudic Courts and Sharia Courts rulings on divorce and property dispersal as valid as long as neither party
chooses to appeal using the Laws of the Land.
Ultimately our whole current system is based on God primarily Judean-Christian concepts and laws, which is why oaths to God are made by public
officials, pledges to God in our Pledge of Allegiance, and In God we Trust on our currency.
Make no mistake about that Religious based laws have far more to do with how our current system works than people typically imagine.
The truth is that inflammatory news stories and discussion boards don’t actually invite or encourage moderate Muslims to be very trusting when it
comes to reaching out and opening a dialogue with people who are often disparaging them in ways that aren’t really based on their own personal
actions or views.
So moderates are needed on both sides.
I do feel the vast majority of Muslims are moderate, they go to work, they pay their taxes, they typically seek out higher education or open their own
businesses, and the ones that immigrate here are looking for the most part to escape the poverty, violence, and chauvinism in the Middle East.
People are a product of their environment though, and it’s usually the second or third generation immigrant of any nationality or religion that
becomes completely Americanized.
I do believe the prevailing attitude of most Muslims is to simply keep to themselves and their own communities because of the uninviting atmosphere
the press and bloggers create.
I do believe that like most of us, they simply want to go to work, keep a roof over their head, take care of and feed their families and live a law
abiding peaceful life.
I know when I read on CNN early this year that Muslims in the United States were generally sad on Eid their most important Holiday that coincides with
Jewish New Years that it isn’t celebrated universally here, and lacks the same festivity and commodity it does in Muslim nations, I decided to visit
all the Muslim shopkeepers and some Muslim clients I had to give them fruits and nuts and wish them Happy Eid. They were astounded and so appreciative
and gracious. I was nervous as heck about doing it, because I really didn’t know how I would be received. They all gave me gifts in return, and many
of them said the nicest Eid gift they got was a non-Muslim American just recognizing them and their Holiday.
I published a Thread about it here on ATS and encouraged others to do so. A couple of the Jewish members complained to me privately that they felt at
a disadvantage because their Holidays weren’t as ‘cool’ as Christmas and Eid and didn’t have that kind of festivity, so I made it a point then
too to say Happy New Years to all the Jewish people out on the streets that day too, and I live within blocks of a major Ashkenazi and small Sephardic
Temple so there are lots and lots of Jews in my neighborhood out and about.
They of course were all thrilled too, that a non-Jew was taking time to wish them Happy New Years.
I even spied a couple of Jews wishing Muslims happy Eid, and Muslims wishing Jews Happy New Years.
Long and short of it, it is our house; it’s up to us how welcoming we want it to be for them.
I will say this though building bridges has a lot more rewards than burning them.
Good job on staying focused on trying to find a good source for the story. I really enjoyed reading the Court Documents. Thanks.
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