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I've HAD IT with Foreign Aid.

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posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 08:42 AM
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After reading this article..I'm fuming.

news.ca.msn.com...

Canada has pledged $31 million in additional aid for flood-ravaged Pakistan, the federal government announced Saturday. The government had already announced $2 million in aid last month. Most of the $33 million from Canada — $25 million — will be used to provide food, clean drinking water and to deal with the burgeoning health crisis there.


As many as 20 million people are homeless, Pakistan's prime minister said Saturday.

Apologies, if I seem insensitive.
But to me, a country should take care of it's OWN first.
Nice that Canada can without hesitation dig into it's back pocket and pull out millions on a whim, to aid another country...yet when Canadians need help because we are homeless, and our lives are in crisis..we have to suck it up..let the politicians mull it over, work it through legislation, red tape..yadda, yadda.
We pay taxes to look after the best interests of US.
We elect individuals that we hope will take care of US first.
Instead they take OUR MONEY and throw it wherever they please at whomever they please in the name of good foreign relations.
You don't make good relations by taking care of everyone but your own.
Totally ass-backwards to me.
Admittedly Iam not very political..I don't care to be. Iam simply applying common sense..which apparently those in power in my country severely lack.
I've read other threads that see foreign aid as a band-aid solution, a joke..
I'm not opposed to helping others..IF you have taken care of your own FIRST.




posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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Stop whinging, whats a lousy $31 Million to help 2 million starving people..

You lot should be screaming blue murder about the $1 Billion spent to wine and dine all them freeloading pollies that came for the G20 meeting..

What good did that money do?
They could have video conferenced for a few million..

Edit to add: I do agree with you though simply because most of the $31 Million will not make it to where its needed...

[edit on 15-8-2010 by CynicalM]



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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The answer is to stop giving to ANY charity and demand that your taxes don't go to ANY charity.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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Wow!

Have you ever been to Granville Street in Vancouver during the Summer months AccessDenied?

I was shocked and appalled at how homelessness is almost encouraged through the huge range of facilities available to vagrants.

Free beds and showers, free food and toiletries, free healthcare and counselling as well as education to get them back onto the job market (should they chose to do so) and yet some still beg and try to intimidate others for money/cigarettes.

In a toilet in a bar I saw a call for a Vagrant march graffiti'd onto a wall.

Compare this to 1 third of a country devastated by flooding where cholera and other deadly health problems are running rampant around displaced hard working homeless people with no education beyond basic farming because no reasonable infrastructure is in place to aid all citizens and I think you get to see why the West is considered 'Developed' whilst these poor places are considered 'Developing'.

I'd call your opinions upon foreign aid 'developing' rather than 'developed'.

-m0r



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by CynicalM

You lot should be screaming blue murder about the $1 Billion spent to wine and dine all them freeloading pollies that came for the G20 meeting..

Not to mention the coinciding G8..and I agree..after all, we all know the problems of this country are best solved over Sunday morning coffee at Timmie's.

@m0r1arty
I understand your position as well. But you are arguing against those who are HOMELESS BY CHOICE. Yes there are freeloaders in this world. I'm not playing favorites for that.
My point is when there is chaos and unresolved issues on your home turf..you have no business trying to solve the problems in other parts of the world.
The fact that we are considered a developed country versus developing..well..only took us about 100 years plus.
If there has been civilization in your country for hundreds of years or more and you haven't figured out yet how to dig out of your own hole..why should we bail you out?
Sorry, but I think of all the things put on the back burner in my own country for "LACK OF FUNDING" or pushed aside while politicians wait to get around to resolving it. It disgusts me. So quick to jump for anyone but their own.
If a similar disaster happened here in Canada..we'd have enough to look after our own if we stopped dishing it out elsewhere.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 10:16 AM
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Star and Flag for the OP, socialism is defunct.

The victim reward system just perpetuates more victims.

Show the ppl how to stand on their own two feet and
take care of their problems.

If you run around the world bailing out every nation that has
made bad choices you will soon find your country broke.

To some degree that is part of what is collapsing the US.

The idea of flood plans, construction standards, and engineering
are not new things.

If the ppl of Pakistan spent half the time they do on religion on
education they would not have half the problem they do.

They are capable of it as they have built nuclear weapons.

If they can build nukes they can build flood control dams.

They can have housing standards.

They can setup drainage just like they did in ancient Peru at
Machu Picchu.

It is like New Orleans in a way, if you build a city below sea level
on the edge of the ocean with a giant lake on one side and
the largest river on that continent on the other you just ....

MIGHT have a flooding problem.

Stupid is as stupid does....





[edit on 15-8-2010 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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Foreign aid is simply window dressing for bribes and coercion - don't think for a second any poor people are likely to benefit - if they do it will be unintended.


This money is spent to further the banking empire's interests - it is not in the interest of either your citizens, or the target countries citizens - its a fraud and rip off - and sure you should be angry about it - but don't blame the poor of the target country, and it would be well to hope they get some kind of benefit from it, because they assuredly need it.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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[edit on 15-8-2010 by Amagnon]



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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Wow - Beyond ignorant.

It's quite easy to say such things behind the veil of a developed nation. Have you ever traveled to a 3rd world country? I'd imagine not. If you had, you know that these people do not have the opportunities you and I do. They don't have food, they don't have water, they don't have electricity.

We are all humans - Think beyond borders. Pakistanis as just as much your brethren as your fellow country men and women.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by misinformational]



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 11:45 AM
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Tell that to the US Marines that have just landed in Pakistan to aid.

I am a Marine Veteran and deployed to Haiti for humanitarian aid. Among 2 other non-humanitarian deployments to Iraq, it's the one that I cherish and hold dear - We made an impact and with the financial aid pouring in from countries the globe-around - We gave Haitians a better chance at survival.

We are doing the same in Pakistan and it will make a positive difference.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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I have to agree with the OP. If a country can spend on nuclear weapons, or other military, they should not be eligible for aid.

The point of the post is that there are many people in Canada that could use a helping hand, especially with the economy as it is currently. There is no reason whatsoever to be sending millions of dollars to Pakistan when there are people starving in Canada.

Both the Olympics and the G20 were a complete waste of billions of dollars. If Canada were to close the open door immigration policy and concentrate on our own issues for a few years, we would be in a lot better position to help out others.

Haiti, has for years been a poverty stricken mess. It's only since the earthquake that anyone has given a damn, and to be perfectly clear, it is because of the largest deep water port that anyone really cares about. Before the earthquake, there were 200,000 orphans, after the quake there are still 200,000 orphans. Anyone who thinks that America is there to help the poor is delusional.

..Ex



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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Imagine Canada is hit by a terrible force of nature. I mean so bad that people are dying by hundred of thousands. You see your wife and kids suffer big time, maybe even watch your kid die in your arms: no food, no drinking water, no roof, no medication no nothing.

Wouldnt you be glad to receive some outside help?
A tent and some rice, maybe some life saving antibiotic pills.

We are so spoiled.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:15 PM
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The people dying from cholera aren't the same ones that have funded those military programs and nuclear weapons.

A people's government is not the people.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by misinformational
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Wow - Beyond ignorant.



Hear hear!

'We blah blah don't trust blah blah charities' and 'where's my stuff?' goons are just babies who need their diapers changed. I give to charities. I go on missions, I help in my community (and this is where the goons want the help to stay but just wah at the blah blah tv/media).

20 million farmers, clothiers, and peaceful humans. They need help. Do you not believe this? Oh wait, you'd rather the price of your clothing and chewing gum were lowered than spend the money on life saving causes. They make many of the fine cloths used for your clothing.

k
I'm done.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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I would like to think that you'd be more concerned with $9 Billion Canada has spent supporting Afghanistan Combat between 2001 and 2009, than the fraction of the money you've spent saving dying families from the worst natural disaster in Pakistan's history.

Sorry to sound rash, but it's exactly this kind of logic that is keeping humanity from taking its next step. We are not countries, we are not races, sexes, creeds, etc. We are humans, we are all of the same ilk and we should all be working towards the common goals of tolerance and harmony.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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I was there to help the poor and I did.. As did my unit. I do agree that we could stand to give much more assistance in all forms to Haiti and all 3rd world countries. But this doesn't denigrate the assistance that we gave while in country. If we wouldn't have assisted there would be more orphans and more lost lives. Just as this doesn't denigrate the humanitarian assistance that any country is contributing to the Pakistan disaster.

Now if you think Pakistan is developed nation with assets to adequately assist the Pakistani people in need, perhaps it is you that is delusional.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by misinformational]



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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Foreign aid is an inefficient scam. Whenever you take your own money, out of your pocket, you think about whether its been spent efficiently, and choose a cause that’s close to your heart.

But if the government is to force us to “donate” money (collected by our tax system) then should give each voter the chance to choose which charity receives they’re money. Every voter could have an allocated amount, to give, and it could even be done online.

Instead…
I think many of the politicians (like Obama) who donate public money, are actually receiving some kind of corrupt “kick back” from the charities they choose. I think this explains why they are so happy to give away your money, to someone else’s country, than have it spent here.
What I hate most is that all the politicians get to feel that they choose where the money went, rather than simply being contempt that x amount went towards the publics own choice.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by ahamarlin
Imagine Canada is hit by a terrible force of nature. I mean so bad that people are dying by hundred of thousands. You see your wife and kids suffer big time, maybe even watch your kid die in your arms: no food, no drinking water, no roof, no medication no nothing.

Wouldnt you be glad to receive some outside help?
A tent and some rice, maybe some life saving antibiotic pills.

We are so spoiled.




That is just it. Canada has the ability to look after it's own. That is the entire purpose of our government.If a major disaster hits anywhere, it's survival of the fittest and those who are prepared, and bully to the rest.
If you live in an area prone to natural disasters, your first priority should be an emergency plan in the best interest of all your people...not to suddenly whine.."OMG we didn't expect this..HELP."
Canada has had in place for awhile now it's emergency preparedness site.
For those who don't take heed to it..your own problem.
Don't get me wrong..I do have a charitable heart, but foreign aid is not the answer to helping anyone, whether natural disaster or not.
I agree with a previous poster..teach them to do things for themselves.
God, I'm tired of hearing.."You gotta feel sorry for these people..they have nothing..blah..blah..blah.."
Well that isn't my fault they have nothing.What are THEY doing to change that? Just sitting there with hands out begging...
Harsh perhaps, but my 2 pennies.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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By nature my first instinct is to help others. I admit it. When you see weakness, do you see opportunity, or a chance to help? There is no right or wrong, it is what it is and it says a lot about where you're coming from in general.

I might ask if money was no object, would you still deny aid on the basis that because they don't help themselves or waste money on other things, that they don't deserve it?

I promise you some would still deny it, because what they really want to do is "punish".

If you can look over a sea of suffering and allow tribalism to get in the way of your humanity, I almost feel more sorry for you than the victims.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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I have to agree with the OP. If a country can spend on nuclear weapons, or other military, they should not be eligible for aid.



That's a good point, little of the money reaches the people who need it.



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