Why the west should fear muslims

I lived in Norway and I can tell you - I would have a hard time believing if you would say a norwegian white man had comitted a serious crime. They didn't even lock their houses or cars. At least in the recent past. I was able to leave my bags in the store and come after several hours to get them back. Hell - you probably could leave a bag with million bucks and still find it the other day. That happened in a small 15000 people town.
The real threats are immigrants be them from Eastern Europe, Africa or other parts of the "Third world". This is a fact you can't deny.
I am not saying all the immigrants are bad. But in this case with good comes much bad. And that bad stuff have to be stopped.
Criminals of non norwegian origin asked why they commit cromes after they are released tell "Dude, you rob somebody and you get several months in a norwegian jail (Everybody knows what that means). I take a rest and do stuff again. it's fun and this country is awesome."
Even for serious crimes jailtime in Norway is a joke. All that "integration politics", "don't punish" and such.

Originally posted by Acharya

IQ tests of nations are always contreversial, but it is the best data be have to make a conclusion.

Only some of it was data. More than half was guesses. Guesses are not actual data. The guesses were not based on data. Stop pretending this was a real study.

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by Acharya


We should stop immigration from muslim countries alltogether, they are too different from us in terms of morale, values, religion, and intelligense. Currently, the west is importing crime.

Maybe if two people ask?

WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE WE DO WITH THE MUSLIMS HERE?

You know the American citizens who are Muslim.

If you are a criminal you should be sent back to you native country. And so Norway has started doing, but only with those that don't have become a citizen yet. I would do it with 1. and 2. generation immigrants too. We welcomed them with open arms, gave them food, school, peace, and jobs, if they turn criminals they should be sent back to the hellhole they came from.

Originally posted by Acharya
If you are a criminal you should be sent back to you native country.

This is like pulling teeth. Do you not know Muslims are born in America?

And so Norway has started doing, but only with those that don't have become a citizen yet. I would do it with 1. and 2. generation immigrants too. We welcomed them with open arms, gave them food, school, peace, and jobs, if they turn criminals they should be sent back to the hellhole they came from.

Superduper. Now try, just try for us. Answer the question. What about the Muslims here now that are from here. Where you going to send them?

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wow my country of Venezuela has 0 IQ.im ashamed of myself and my people,i wish to leave.

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[edit on 15-8-2010 by metodex]

Originally posted by Pitons
My suggestions would be:

1. Check background of the immigrants. If they have no background or it is not possible to check it - don't allow to enter the country.
2. Hunt all illegal immigrants and deport them. Also deport all criminals after they had served.
3. Find out a safe number of immigrants per year based on various calculations
4. End all the "we live better so we will accept all who want and will give income support and whatnot because we feel guilty" BS propaganda.

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I think you are onto soething here. A big issue in Norway is that we allow paperless immigrants entrance to our country, and it may be 10 years that they live here before they get accepted or rejected. One immigrant lived in Norway for 7 years before he was rejected by the government, meanwhile he had been arrested almost 100 times by the police for various crimes.

Originally posted by metodex
Acharya you are an ignorant and a fool.

Google the inquisition and Christopher Columbus discovery of the americas. you will find entire civilizations crushed because they would not embrace Jesus as their only God. Religions evolve,yes. But they shouldn't. All religions are,in a way,bad for society. As the humans became more respectful of other's lives,so did religions. Religions are pushovers. Not only muslims or jewish or christians,but all of em (except maybe buddhists,cool dudes)

No star and no flag. You one serious fool

Hehe, you sound just like Mr. T. More to your point; as stated earlier I am against all religions that preaches seperation, and that includes all mayor religions except Buddhism. If the immigrants were Christians I would still write the same post.

Originally posted by faceoff85
reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

 

You sure have a way with words... wont go into your response to deeply but I will say this. Those people coming out on the streets were indeed muslims, they were indeed showing joy over the attack on 9-11-2001. As for any other details, you can question them as much as you like.. the above stated is something that truly happened.. I purposely left out details like those muslims shouting out to Allah and thanking him... why? Because its been to long to honestly remember what was said.

I will stick to the above 2 points as they are true!!!

Wow thats amazing those Muslim believed right away that other Muslims had done it. And then they celebrated. In public. That would be extemely different from the reaction of Muslims around the rest of the world. And that they did so without fear of backlash. You know like the buring of Muslims Mosques and School that occured in your country as a backlash to 911. I have to say your story seems unlikely.

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Sorry if this has been stated: But the amount of stars given to the OP is absolutely DISGUSTING. Despicably, most probably came from citizens of the country the prides itself on religious freedom.

You are the very reason that the world views America as ignorant. This sentiment alone perpetuates fear in the western world, much more than any "terrorist" attacks to date. It is people like you that continue the violent cycle and you are just as much to blame as the fanatics that commit those acts.

All on top of the fact that you are probably a Christian - I am no Christian, bu I've read enough of the bible to know that you completely forsake the morals and values it preaches. You, sir, are a hypocrite and a bigot - far removed from the teachings of your God - And just as bad as the George Wallace's of generations past.

Post like these should be hate-crimes and should constitute banning.. Unfortunately, I will not be a hypocrite - thus you are entitled to your opinion. Just as I am entitled to mine as stated above.

Originally posted by Pitons
I lived in Norway and I can tell you - I would have a hard time believing if you would say a norwegian white man had comitted a serious crime. They didn't even lock their houses or cars. At least in the recent past. I was able to leave my bags in the store and come after several hours to get them back. Hell - you probably could leave a bag with million bucks and still find it the other day. That happened in a small 15000 people town.
The real threats are immigrants be them from Eastern Europe, Africa or other parts of the "Third world". This is a fact you can't deny.
I am not saying all the immigrants are bad. But in this case with good comes much bad. And that bad stuff have to be stopped.
Criminals of non norwegian origin asked why they commit cromes after they are released tell "Dude, you rob somebody and you get several months in a norwegian jail (Everybody knows what that means). I take a rest and do stuff again. it's fun and this country is awesome."
Even for serious crimes jailtime in Norway is a joke. All that "integration politics", "don't punish" and such.

Yes, the punishment are too low, and most often they dont even get a trial since the legal system dont bother with small cases. And the stupid socialist government builds luxery prisons for them too:

Norway builds luxary prisons

In these prisons they have better living conditions than me, they can relax all day, have a gym to train, can get a collegue degree for free by the government. Go on hiking trips, biking trips, have a library, and even get a small salary! The socialists governing Norway are retarded.

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wow first of all, it was a joke because my country was greyed out in the IQ map

second,education here is not free. A public college is almost free tho, if you can stand the constant strikes because of teachers not getting paid, getting robbed in campus or student protests.Not to mention the surroundings of the university,wich are a bit less safe than the campus itself. So yeah,graduate in 8 years.

Free government schools offer socialist dogma.So you'd rather have your son on a catholic school or a socialist school or a jewish school?? Im against any kind of dogma in schools.Education is not about religion or political views.

I do not watch TV except for a few tv shows now and then and the usual news.

Stop calling me stupid if you don't know me,get your facts right.And if you dont live here shut up. PLEASE

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by Acharya
If you are a criminal you should be sent back to you native country.

This is like pulling teeth. Do you not know Muslims are born in America?

And so Norway has started doing, but only with those that don't have become a citizen yet. I would do it with 1. and 2. generation immigrants too. We welcomed them with open arms, gave them food, school, peace, and jobs, if they turn criminals they should be sent back to the hellhole they came from.

Superduper. Now try, just try for us. Answer the question. What about the Muslims here now that are from here. Where you going to send them?

A 2. generation immigrant *is* someone born in the country where their parents immigrants.

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Actually I wouldn't refuse to live in that "jail" myself Free room, food. I heard they even have a swimming pool?



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Originally posted by Acharya
A 2. generation immigrant *is* someone born in the country where their parents immigrants.

Sorry, I guess I did not get second generation from what you wrote. That is all good and fine but that is not going to get rid of all Muslims, now is it? I am not sure about Norway but Muslims have been in America for 300 years. How many generations back you planning to go?

Originally posted by MrSpad

Originally posted by faceoff85
reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

 

You sure have a way with words... wont go into your response to deeply but I will say this. Those people coming out on the streets were indeed muslims, they were indeed showing joy over the attack on 9-11-2001. As for any other details, you can question them as much as you like.. the above stated is something that truly happened.. I purposely left out details like those muslims shouting out to Allah and thanking him... why? Because its been to long to honestly remember what was said.

I will stick to the above 2 points as they are true!!!

Wow thats amazing those Muslim believed right away that other Muslims had done it. And then they celebrated. In public. That would be extemely different from the reaction of Muslims around the rest of the world. And that they did so without fear of backlash. You know like the buring of Muslims Mosques and School that occured in your country as a backlash to 911. I have to say your story seems unlikely.

Or perhaps it is like seing someone you secretly don't like getting punched in the face and you can't stop grinning a little. Perhaps they were celebrating that the US was smacked in the face. You shouldnt underestimate the symbolic value of the Twin Towers when it came to western supremacy and dominance.

Originally posted by Acharya
Or perhaps it is like seing someone you secretly don't like getting punched in the face and you can't stop grinning a little. Perhaps they were celebrating that the US was smacked in the face. You shouldnt underestimate the symbolic value of the Twin Towers when it came to western supremacy and dominance.

Sounds plausible. Many people hate America. Maybe they saw the plane hit and got all excited so then they

got dressed in their most Muslim outfits - maybe they were at the ready?
went outside - because that makes sense
to dance in the street - why not? That is where Muslims dance, right?
while calling attention to the neighbors - hey look, we are dancing!
and discussing Allah, loudly.


Yeah, that makes sense.

edit to add:then they looked at the clock, realized the plane was not hitting for a bit yet and had about an hour before it would even be on the news and went back inside. "So sorry neighbors, we danced prematurely. Allah Allah dirka dirka!" Sorry my middle eastern accent is not so good.



[edit on 15-8-2010 by Adevoc Satanae]

Originally posted by misinformational
reply to post by Acharya

 

Sorry if this has been stated: But the amount of stars given to the OP is absolutely DISGUSTING. Despicably, most probably came from citizens of the country the prides itself on religious freedom.

You are the very reason that the world views America as ignorant. This sentiment alone perpetuates fear in the western world, much more than any "terrorist" attacks to date. It is people like you that continue the violent cycle and you are just as much to blame as the fanatics that commit those acts.

All on top of the fact that you are probably a Christian - I am no Christian, bu I've read enough of the bible to know that you completely forsake the morals and values it preaches. You, sir, are a hypocrite and a bigot - far removed from the teachings of your God - And just as bad as the George Wallace's of generations past.

Post like these should be hate-crimes and should constitute banning.. Unfortunately, I will not be a hypocrite - thus you are entitled to your opinion. Just as I am entitled to mine as stated above.

Or, perhaps you should understand that the "freedom of religion" that you so proudly mention is a relatively new idea. Our western world is a thin glass, a hatchling, a couple of houndred years ago there was no freedom of religion. But still you scoff at the idea that history may repeat itself, believing that the progress of freedom is linear, its not, we have to struggle for every little bit of it. Freedom of speach has been prevalent before only to be surpressed, and it could happend again. You talk like the world has always been free, and that there are not dark forces out there that want to take it away, but there are, and they will if you let them, as has happened before.


[edit on 15-8-2010 by Acharya]

Originally posted by Pitons
reply to post by Acharya

 

Actually I wouldn't refuse to live in that "jail" myself

Free room, food. I heard they even have a swimming pool?
[edit on 15-8-2010 by Pitons]

I know, man. Its so crazy people think I am joking when I tell them, but it is a fact.