Why the west should fear muslims

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posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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Molesting children all over the world, not to mention every white suppremacy group is christian yeah i think there is a problem.




posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by MrXYZ
Given that none of my Muslim friends has threatened to blow me up yet, and that I just returned from another trip to the Middle East without dying I'd argue you're wrong


I'm sure that the Danish cartoonists living under a death threat will rest more easily in their beds tonight knowing that your Muslim friends don't want to kill you.


But it's EXTREMISTS who want to kill him, not every Muslim!! If you can't understand that, you're blinded by faith based racism


Again: No one's saying extremists are good, they're horrible...but they're a MINORITY of the Muslim community. You're generalizing a whole people based on the actions of a minority...that makes you a bigot!

Every single post you make concerns extremists and not the Muslim community as a whole!

What you're saying is equal to me saying all Christians are child molesters, just because of the thousands of child molestation cases linked to the church!


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posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 06:13 PM
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There are no muslim extremists in the USA. There weren't in Iraq,Iran or Afganistan either at one point. If Muslims gained control of say, the USA over time, don't you think it logical that the extremeists would begin their fear campaign there too? Below is a new report for today

"Gunmen stormed the house of a Sunni cleric in Iraq and cut his head off before setting him alight in an attack that bore the hallmark of insurgents, a police spokesman said."

Even in Gaza, extremists fire rockets at Israel every single day. What would you do if your neighbour fired rocks at your house every single day. Would you try to stop him or just endure it?



posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by MrXYZ
The guy who blew up a government building a few years back was Christian. Does that mean we should ban all churches near government buildings? Or that all Christians are terrorists?


If Christians (like Muslims) carried out terrorist attacks in 32 countries in 2010 and murdered 12,000 people a year in the name of Christianity (like Islam), only a fool or a knave would pretend there wasn't a problem.

Which are you?



en.wikipedia.org...
Have fun.
Here's the latest from our good friends at the Lords resistance army, a christian terrorist group.
In May 2010 it was reported that an investigation was being undertaken by a senior UN official over the massacre of over 100 people in February 2010.[51] The massacre is said to have been carried out by Ugandan rebels in Kpanga, near DR Congo's border with the Central African Republic and Southern Sudan.[51]

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This one group alone has killed more people than muslim extremists on 9/11.
Should we judge all christians based on them?

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posted on Sep, 9 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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And another point that claims all Muslims are planning to take over the world


Are you saying we should just kill them all off because of the actions of a minority?? If that's what you think, let's do that, and then kill all Christians too because they're obviously all child molesters.

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posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by colloredbrothers
Fact is they don't intigrate well, fact is they are very agressive and seem bipolar sometimes (its proven that people from islamic countrys have 7 times more chance to get schizophrenia).

These things are absolute facts, you can't fight facts you can only take conclusion out of them and you not wanting to do so points out your will to be "politicily correct" without adressing the situation.



Originally posted by 375610
My friend had to go to the hospital because one of those islamic guys flicked a lit cig on him and my friends robes cought on fire.



I seriously can't imagine you people are being serious. Has all reality flown out the window?

It is proven that people from islamic countrys (sic) have 7 times more chance to get schizophrenia? Really? Where is it proven?
Your friend got his robes set on fire and had to go to hospital because someone threw a lit cig on him? What was he wearing, a gasoline cloak? I bet this little incident didn't show up in the newspaper or any media, did it? Seeing as you openly admit to being a nazi, and claim that your friend Steve was lit up by islamic pedophiles, I hope you don't mind that I don't take your word for it.


Then ollncasino comes up with more of those badly built up lists from anti-islam websites that show a skewed picture of Islam. He really does love his lists. Although his phrasing is a bit odd....as far as I see on the website he likes so much, 4 people (not 937) were killed. Perhaps he meant that in the whole month of Ramadan up to that point. But then he mentions that "in that time, only 1 hindu killed one christian". Which is definitely not true. A cursory glance of the news (and I'm not going into detail, after all, I'm short on time, and don't have the resources of the www.threligionofpeace.com behind me) shows me dozens of examples of acts of violence and killings by other religions in the same time.



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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Also hilarious how 375610 is a dummy account created one day ago...probably because the main account doesn't have the guts to spew his racist crap



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 10:04 AM
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All you people are bashing the OP. There does seem to be a growing problem with Muslim immigrants in Scandinavia, which is probably one of the most tolerant and civil places in Europe. If there are problems there, then that bodes ill for the other nations in Europe. You bash him for stating things that are going on there. I don't think he is inventing all of that, I am hearing numerous threads about this from multiple countries in Scandinavia. I have even heard things from my relatives in Sweden. All is not well there.



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 12:03 PM
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I bet this little incident didn't show up in the newspaper or any media, did it?

No it didn't, just like every hate crime that happens does not get reported in the news.



Seeing as you openly admit to being a nazi, and claim that your friend Steve was lit up by islamic pedophiles, I hope you don't mind that I don't take your word for it.


Im not a nazi where did I "openly admit" to being a nazi?



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 12:35 PM
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Interesting post. But before I go into what I think of such, I would like to state that the IQ bit was just a little too much out of line and takes away the credability of the op. Now that being said, this is what I can state and have seen in the recent history.
Tolerance has to swing both ways, it can not be one side must be tolerant and silent, and the other shows none of that. What I have seen through the different news reports from around the world, as well as, experienced first hand is that there is a lack of tolerance on both sides. What is posted about the trouble when those who are devout in their faith move into a new area, tends to try to enforce their believe and rules on everyone else in the surrounding area. Like most who are human and from one culture, they tend to gather together with what they believe is the most familiar as it is a means for them to feel safe. History often will show that, as where you have large numbers of immirgrants moving from one country to another, there tends to be fear and distrust on both sides, the immigrants and those who are already there, even those who are of the same culture. This too has been seen in history. But that was then and this is now, and from what I am seeing, most who are immigrating from an Islamic country, moving to a western country, tend to have to deal with culture shock and often will not actively join in, though the youth should be able to assimilate in, to learn what is and is not acceptable, the laws, customs and the language. The problems often arise when the cultures clash to where the parents and older members of the family refuse to assimilate and those politicians seeking to be politically correct to not inisist in such. Reports, about the violence and the nature of those who are from a heavily Islamic country, are not uncommon and often appear on the front pages from different countries. I can attest first hand to having to deal with such myself. The instences of where the cultures clash, I have seen first hand, and can attest to that they do not speak the local language, where some times, especially with the younger generation, it gets dangerous. But, I am tolerant of their nature to a degree, until it affects me and they start trying to dictate how I should live or threaten my family, then that tolerance goes away.
I think that the main problem that often comes up is that the tolerance from those who follow the Islamic faith is not given. Too many times they are the first to scream about how wrong something is, and then turn around to use terms and slander people, instead of taking a step back. Given the current world events, they should take a step back and stop making things like threats and violence, having the clerics speak out against such, rather than faning the flames to make it burn hotter. They need to understand that every country has a set of laws and a culture, and if they move to those countries, understand that those laws apply both to them and the citizens that are there currently. If they do not agree with those, to work within the laws and system, rather than force people to back down. That leads to intolerance and forces people to chose a side, often against those that are demanding those changes.



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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I do not nor will I ever fear any man nor religion.

Muslims should fear the world that they agitate.



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 01:17 PM
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You asked why?

The answer is simple.

As long as there is someone to be hated, that hate will make one forget about other critical issues in life, mistakes made by one or by the TPTB, and will lump it all upon the object of hate.

Hate the muslims by all means, it works in the TPTB's favour. It encourages the muslims to hate us all as well. And with such hatred, we will cull each other willingly, hearts and minds as well.

At the end of day, whomever 'proudly' stands alive....will still be a friggin slave to our puppet TPTB and their masters.

Revile in your misplaced hatred. Have fun. Extinction of our species and future generations may be the only solution to end our woes, and never to know what is love, life, and free will...........



posted on Sep, 10 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by 375610
I went to an anti-muslim rally at our local mosque this weekend. Those guys were in no way peacefull, i was pelted with eggs by those freedom haters (this is america i have every right to wave a swastika flag). My friend had to go to the hospital because one of those islamic guys flicked a lit cig on him and my friends robes cought on fire.

So you were at an antimuslim rally this weekend, protesting at your local mosque, waving swastika flags while wearing robes. My mistake. Perhaps you are a member of the ku klux klan instead?



posted on Sep, 11 2010 @ 05:25 PM
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Jesus said to turn the cheek but not for evil. Islam is a religion that brings the worst on people that are crazy (not all are carzy let's be clear, but the ones that are, use that religion as a justification to kill and torture). Islam religios leaders talk about peace but are unable to respect feelings of people who lost loved ones on 9-11 in the name of "we have the right to build a mosuqe". If they cannot even be sensitive about that, how can we expect that they respect western societies that stand for all they don't. Look at how they treat their women. How they stone people to death just because they kiss in public, how they cut woman's body parts when they are children in the name of their believes. Shame on those believes. All religions have things to improve but Islam has 10 fold what othrs have. It is a dangerous philosopy that I hope leaders change and clarify for the crazies that are to short of view to understand. Many, many burn bibles, flags, kill people but if someone talks about burning their book, God forgive us. That is worst that stonning people to death. I yet have to see a muslim condemnin such stones in public. They feel untouchable and frankly we have made them untouchable arguing human rights. They are the ones that are stepping on the rights of all "infidels" or non muslims. God, how people can be so blind just because they are affraid to be tagged as biggots. One thing is to be a biggot, another is to call evil where evil ls and stand for what is good and against what is bad. I absolutely have no problem with arabs. Race is not the issue, I like people of all races. I have a problem with muslim philosophy regardless of the race of the person that follows it. I hope they learn to respect women's rights, childre'n's rights, and non-muslims' rights. One thing is to love God and other is to harm others in the name of God. A disproportionate percentage of followers mis-understand the teachings. Why leaders don't clarify for them? why they don't condemn their actions more strongly. When I see a muslim in TV is always talking about how good and peaceful is islam. Their public relations is more important than condemning evil. Stop being more worried for your image and more for who in reality has brought your image to where it is today. Tell the leader in NY to do the right thing in the name of peace and good neighbor. For those who need proof of the real thoughts of the Imam in NY, please watch CNN (3 days ago) during Larry King Live, hosted by C. Coury. He said and I paraphrase "...what would Jeses do? Jesus said love your enemy!!!" and then he corrected "we are not your enemy" he considers himself our enemy and he messed up when he mentioned that and he knew. Not sure why nobody pointed out. The real feelings vs the talk of the Imam are two different things. I know there are many many many many real and good people who happen to be muslims but where are their voices? I waht to hear their voices. They need to be heard.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
If Christians (like Muslims) carried out terrorist attacks in 32 countries in 2010 and murdered 12,000 people a year in the name of Christianity (like Islam), only a fool or a knave would pretend there wasn't a problem.


You know what your problem is?? You are forgetting a little thing called time.

We (Christianity) did do all those things and worse. It was a long time ago and society matured a lot since those days but at least we had the freedom to mature on our own.

Now you are confronted with a society that has yet to develop to such a level. Break free from the regime that is their religion but you are not allowing them the time to find their way!!

If you really want to help out, go over there and spread the message of secular thinking. You know, the law of man over the law of God. It will demand some patience....

Peace



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:25 AM
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Are you saying that I said we should kill them all off, or are you saying that I suggested we should kill them all off or are you suggetsing something else. Because I said they have an agenda. So do feminists. Your point was ...????



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:53 PM
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If we look at the Danish cartoon controversy, Muslims, by lopsided majorities, see Western disrespect for the Islamic religion as the root of the problem.

80% of Spanish Muslims feel the problem is Western disrespect, while 79% of French Muslims blame Western disrespect. In the UK, 83% blame a lack of Western respect, with 71% of German Muslims also doing so.

So European Muslims overwhelmingly lay the blame for the Danish cartoons on Western disrespect.

pewglobal.org...

On the other hand, a significant majority of Muslims from the 4 European countries were concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism in the world. 77% of UK Muslims were, as were 73% of French Muslims, 60% of Spanish Muslims and 58% of German Muslims.

pewglobal.org...

On a less comforting note, 47% of British Muslims believe there is a conflict between being a Muslim and living in a modern society. This number drops to 36% in Germany, 28% in France and 25% in Spain.

pewglobal.org...

So it is fair to say, most Western European Muslims are worried about the rise of Islamic extremism in the world (77%, 73%, 60% & 58%).

On the other hand, a significant proportion see a conflict between being a Muslim and living in a Western European nation (47%, 36%, 28% & 25%).

An overwhelming majority, lay the blame for the Danish cartoon controversy plainly on the Europeans for being disrespectful (83%, 80%, 79% & 71%).



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 01:36 AM
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A third of British Muslim students back Killings in the name of Islam and desire the introduction of a Worldwide Islamic State

ALMOST a third of British Muslim students believe killing in the name of Islam can be justified, according to a poll.

The research also found that a third of Muslim students supported the creation of a world-wide caliphate or Islamic state.

In the report, 40% of Muslim students said it was unacceptable for Muslim men and women to associate freely.

The study also found that 40% of Muslims at university support the incorporation of Islamic Sharia codes into British law.

Homophobia was rife, with 25% saying they had little or no respect for gays. The figure was higher (32%) for male Muslim students. Among non-Muslims, the figure was only 4%.

A number of terrorists have been radicalised at British universities. Kafeel Ahmed, who drove a flaming jeep into a building at Glasgow airport last year and died of his burns, is believed to have been radicalised while studying at Anglia Ruskin university, Cambridge.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students and a member of the British Labour party which favors increased immigration from third world Muslim nations, condemned the study. “This disgusting report is a reflection of the biases and prejudices of a right-wing think tank – not the views of Muslim students across Britain”

However, some of the findings amplify previous research. A report by Policy Exchange last year found that 37% of all Muslims aged 16-24 would prefer to live under a Sharia system.

The poll, consisting of 632 students was carried out by YouGov

www.yougov.co.uk...

YouGov plc is a professional research and consulting organisation, pioneering the use of the Internet and information technology to collect high quality, in-depth data for market research and stakeholder consultation; providing companies with a rounded view of their staff, customers, brands and investors as well as assessing opinion amongst the general public and the media.


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posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 01:52 AM
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75% of Young British Muslims would prefer Muslim women to "choose to wear the veil or hijab" while 36% believe a British Muslim who converts to another faith should be "punished by death."

40% of Muslims between the ages of 16 and 24 said they would prefer to live under sharia law in Britain, a legal system based on the teachings of the Koran. The figure among over-55s, in contrast, was only 17 %.

Turning to issues of faith, 36% of the young people questioned said they believed that a Muslim who converts to another religion should be "punished by death." Among the over 55s, the figure is only 19%.

Approximately 75% of young Muslims would prefer Muslim women to "choose to wear the veil or hijab," compared to only about 25% of over-55s.

The Populus survey of 1,000 people commissioned was commisioned by Policy Exchange.

www.policyexchange.org.uk...

Munira Mirza, a British Muslim broadcaster and one of the authors of the report, argued that multicultural policies pursued by the Government had succeeded in making things worse, rather than better.

She said: "The emergence of a strong Muslim identity in Britain is, in part, a result of multi-cultural policies implemented since the 1980s which have emphasised difference at the expense of shared national identity and divided people along ethnic, religious and cultural lines.

The study, by the Right-wing think-tank Policy Exchange, also found a significant minority who expressed backing for Islamic terrorism.

One in eight young Muslims said they admired groups such as al-Qa'eda that "are prepared to fight the West".

www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Sep, 14 2010 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students and a member of the British Labour party which favors increased immigration from third world Muslim nations, condemned the study. “This disgusting report is a reflection of the biases and prejudices of a right-wing think tank – not the views of Muslim students across Britain”


Why are you twisting and turning this to fit your agenda??


Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students, condemned the study. “This disgusting report is a reflection of the biases and prejudices of a right-wing think tank – not the views of Muslim students across Britain,” he said. “Only 632 Muslim students were asked vague and misleading questions, and their answers were wilfully misinterpreted.


Leaving things out and putting things in where you see fit does not equate to the truth. No matter how much you would like it to be!!!!

Peace



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