Why the west should fear muslims

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae
My Muslim friends were born in the US and in Canada.

How does that relate to Muslim IQs according to your chart?

I get sick of asking this but let me try in this thread -

I am a Satanist. Why do my Muslim friends not try to kill me?

Because they are patient.

The old way of fighting this war didn't work so they are trying
a new method as mentioned by the leader of Libya.

It is working VERY well, and lefties swallowed it hook, line,
and sinker.

I do not follow any religion and think all of them are a bad joke.

I am also not a Republicrat or Demican.



[edit on 5-9-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

Australian Muslim cleric calls for the beheading of Dutch anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders

Sydney-born Muslim cleric Feiz Mohammad called on extremists to "chop off his head" of Geert Wilders and accused Wilders of "denigrating" Islam.

news.smh.com.au...

Feiz Mohammad teaches a hard line Wahabi ideology which originates out of Saudi Arabia. Wahabi Muslims reject modern day society and believe that everything should mirror the perfect life of Muhammad in the 7th century by following the Koran to the letter.

Almost all Muslim terrorists originate from the Wahabi (Salafi) school of Islam.

About 8% of Muslims in Western countries are Salafi Muslims.

They prefer to preach in more mainstream mosques rather than opening their own due to believing that there is only one Islam and that their beliefs represent its true form.

Originally posted by faceoff85
reply to post by ~Lucidity

 

Hehehe... that figures... In the Netherlands we have freedom of speech...

To a point...

en.wikipedia.org...

If the Islamic army of murder have their way there will not be freedom
of speech anywhere.

It will be this...



Sharia Law is hideous...and they are preparing to allow it in parts
of the EU and the UK.

Anyone that thinks otherwise has no clue or they are a Muslim
who will practice Taqiyya to lie as they are taught.

en.wikipedia.org...

Those who will live in these Islamic states will find themselves
treated like Theo or Wafa, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, or Dhimmi or worse.

en.wikipedia.org...

Perhaps you would like them to honor kill some of your family
members to help you understand ???



[edit on 5-9-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

Originally posted by babloyi
I'm sorry, but how exactly do the verses you posted prove that your story from Ibn Ishaq is accurate?

The Koran mentions that particular episode. This proves that Ibn Ishaq did not invent the episode - the killing of some of the "people of the book" and the taking captive of the rest by Muhammad and the confiscation of their property.

Ibn Ishaq provides the details - the beheading of 800 Jews by Muhammad, the selling of the women and children into slavery and the confiscation of the Jewish tribe's property.

Originally posted by babloyi
He was a "devout Muslim historian"?

He was a devout Muslim and he wrote the first autobiography about Muhammad by collecting many thousands of oral traditions that existed in the Muslim community about Muhammad, 150 years after the prophet's death. He rejected the vast majority of them, believing them incapable of being traced back to the actual events by a verifiable train of individuals in the intervening 150 years. He kept less than 5% of the oral traditions about Muhammad - the small percentage he felt were absolutely reliable from an evidential point of view.

Interestingly, he also rejected, according to his own words, many traditions on the grounds that they made Mohammed look even less positive than the one's he retained.

Nowadays, the only Muslims who would agree with the historical Muhammad as portrayed by Ibn Ishaq are the wahabi/ Salafi Muslims who follow a hard line version of Islam and from whom almost all the Western Muslim terrorists originate from.

About 8% of Western Muslims are wahabi/ Salafi and believe that the world should be under Islamic rule and should be governed according the Koran, followed literally and to the letter.

reply to post by ollncasino


Oz Muslim cleric calls for beheading - what sounds wrong about this?

1. A BEHEADING?

2. AN OZ MUSLIM CLERIC?

3. NO HUGE OUTCRY?

4. WHAT IS THAT EXTREMIST DOING LIVING IN OZ?

5. WHY WASN'T HE ARRESTED? WHY AND HOW DID HE GET TO LIVE IN OZ? I am sure if I called for a beheading I would be in jail or the loony bin.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
So. Acharya. What do you propose be done with these Muslims we should fear? Simple question, reasked directly.

One of the conditions of most Visas in most nations is that
you obey the law.

Another condition is that you do not incite violence.

Under these terms they should do as some members of
the EU have done and simply send them home.

Done and done.

If they want Sharia Law send them to Sharia Law.

Originally posted by Pitons
reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

 

One day you will understand what I was talking about. But it will be too late.

He is a satanist.

It was too late a long time ago.

The best part is he might be alive when the Sharia crowd get majority.

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by Acharya
If you are a criminal you should be sent back to you native country.

This is like pulling teeth. Do you not know Muslims are born in America?

Superduper. Now try, just try for us. Answer the question. What about the Muslims here now that are from here. Where you going to send them?

Trace back their parents and send them to their country of origin
and end the anchor baby laws too.

Again...

If you want Sharia Law we can send you to Sharia Law.

Not start it up here.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

 

I'm just stupid. What can I say. I think I blew some dude's mind last night when he was ranting about opening a BBQ joint next to the "mosque" and how he wouldn't be allowed to. What a shock. There already is one less than a block away, Barbeque Express, 27 Park Place
New York, NY 10007-2502, (646) 861-1610.

Yeah but it needs to serve pork.

Maybe some large BBQ bacon baked beans signs out front too.

LOL

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by teapot
Thank you for this Thread. Despite the various attempts at derailment, it is clear that there is growing international concern about the negative impact moslem immigrants have on host countries. These concerns are not exclusively fueled by media. Many non moslems living in the west are personally and professionally experiencing a changing society that detracts from the largely peaceful, law abiding, hard working environment we had prior to mass immigration.

It is born from prejudice, fear, and ignorance.

Need proof? Look how you spell Muslim and ask yourself why?

You want to be smart and I admire that.

The other things you do on this message board I do not admire.

It is sometimes transliterated "Moslem", an older, possibly Persian-based spelling

If your too lazy to google, maybe you should rethink your self
appraisal.

Originally posted by Faiol
OW, MY RELIGION IS BETTER THAN YOURS

if you support a religion, it means you dont use your brain, so your IQ cant be that high

Actually there are a lot of smart ppl who are religious, but there
are a lot of smart ppl who are not.

The difference is propaganda.

Even the smart ppl of many nations have been fooled by their
leaders to fight in false wars for false reasons.

Most religions follow a similar road.

Deception is the order of the day, brainwashing is a tool,
propaganda is one of its names, and most ppl fall for at
least one lie in their lifetime.

The manipulators will use anything to jockey for position and
lord it over us all and make trillions off the circus deception.

It is time for the organ grinder music to stop so us monkeys
can get on with normal sane lives.

All war is deception ~ Sun Tzu.

reply to post by crichton13

I am not religious at all.

I respect some of the abilities of Buddhists seen in the documentary
science of the mind.

Islam is a pariah on the earth for many reasons I have listed
in my prior post.

But as for 911 not all is what it seems.

Google Video Link

One thing is common all through out history, we have been lied to
about a great many things and only now with the internet are we
able to think as a group.

The full truth is not known yet, but a lot of the lies are becoming obvious.

reply to post by malcr


I do not have a problem with the Muslims being a few hundred
years behind on growing up into a peaceful society, but...

They can work out their violence in their home country.

I'd really like to offer them a better life, but in most countries
2 very simple things get your Visa revoked.

Break the Law & Inciting Violence.

That would get a lot of them sent home.

Done and done.

If they want Sharia so bad, then we should send them to Sharia Law.

Originally posted by b0sanac
reply to post by ~Lucidity

 

I think their answer to the "problem" would be to put all muslims and all "suspected" muslims in death camps.

In a way you are right.

I think most of us want to send them home, and in a way their
home countries often are very much like death camps.

Especially if you do not want to follow Sharia Law, or you try to
leave the Islamic Faith.

I do not care where the go as long as it is some place where their
beliefs are widely accepted.

Because them trying to turn the clock back on tolerance with
their Sharia Law is not going to float with a lot of the ppl that
are now hearing about it from women that were almost beaten
to death in their Sharia Law countries.

The lady who wrote Infidel, and Wafa Sultan make it VERY clear.

End of Story.

reply to post by tothetenthpower

If you are all so unahappy then voice your opinions and get the issue resolved.

He IS voicing his opinion.

You have called for him to not in other posts.

Make up your mind.

I will support his freedom of speech and those of the religious
zealots who want Sharia Law because I find it easier to know
who they are when this breaks down into another civil war.

The people saying all Muslims are evil and that they want to take over the world need to wake up. Your paranoia's getting the better of you!

How dare anyone prevent people from exercising their right of freedom of religion? Say what you want, you can't generalize a whole people based on the actions of few.



And the whole "Sharia law is gonna override US law" is laughable. Not a single western country allows Sharia to overrule regular national law!!

Are Suicide Bombers in Heaven? Ground Zero Imam Rauf Won't Say No

When you detonate explosives attached to your torso, simultaneously decapitating people on a bus or disemboweling little children at a kindergarten, do you go to heaven or to hell?

While the answer might seem straightforward to some, it clearly flummoxed Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, he of the ground zero mosque controversy, when it was asked of him by Barbara Walters in her 2006 TV special on heaven.

In response to the question as to whether suicide bombers go to heaven, Imam Rauf said "One of the things that we are taught is never to say somebody will go to hell or somebody will go to heaven. It is up to God to decide."

If men and women who blow up children and defenseless civilians end up in heaven, then heaven is nothing but a meaningless euphemism for hell.

If God would reward those who dismember innocent passengers on a bus with high explosives by delivering them eternal bliss, then the Creator is in league with the devil.

www.aolnews.com...

On the 25th day of Ramadan, the religion of peace has carried out 176 terrorist attacks in the name of Islam and has killed 837 people.

In the same period, 1 Hindu has murdered 1 Christian.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Hello ollncasino!
reply to post by ollncasino

Originally posted by ollncasino
The Koran mentions that particular episode. This proves that Ibn Ishaq did not invent the episode - the killing of some of the "people of the book" and the taking captive of the rest by Muhammad and the confiscation of their property.

Ibn Ishaq provides the details - the beheading of 800 Jews by Muhammad, the selling of the women and children into slavery and the confiscation of the Jewish tribe's property.

I did not say that Ibn Ishaq invented the episode, I said that Ibn Ishaq's telling of it was false. "Some you killed and some you took prisoner" is definitely not the same as "all the males were beheaded and the women and children were enslaved (doesn't really say "sold into slavery", although I agree that makes it sound worse)".

I'm sorry about the "autobiography" dig in my previous post. A person's language skills shouldn't really matter in a discussion, especially when the words are understood by both sides. You may not be a native english speaker, and thus my behaviour wasn't really nice. For future reference, an autobiography is when a person writes about about themselves. What Ibn Ishaq is purported to have written is a biography.

Originally posted by ollncasino
He was a devout Muslim and he wrote the first autobiography about Muhammad by collecting many thousands of oral traditions that existed in the Muslim community about Muhammad, 150 years after the prophet's death. He rejected the vast majority of them, believing them incapable of being traced back to the actual events by a verifiable train of individuals in the intervening 150 years. He kept less than 5% of the oral traditions about Muhammad - the small percentage he felt were absolutely reliable from an evidential point of view.

Interestingly, he also rejected, according to his own words, many traditions on the grounds that they made Mohammed look even less positive than the one's he retained.

I am afraid you are mistaken. Perhaps you are confusing hadith with the sirah. What Ibn Ishaq collected was compiled into the Sirat. It was definitely NOT rigorously researched, in fact, Ibn Ishaq included as much stuff as he possibly could (including LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of poetry which is known to be forged), so that his chronology was without gaps. Contrary to what you say, of the portions which DO have a chain of narrators given (about 600 narrations), MOST(not just the ones that portray Muhammad in a negative way) are known to be of weak or unreliable chains- Ibn Ishaq is KNOWN to have put a lot less work into verifying the accounts than (in some cases, such as the story that started this discussion, his account is stitched together from SEVERAL narrators, who couldn't verify each other, and in many cases, he skipped several narrators in the chain, or didn't include the chain at all!), for example Bukhari or Muslim. Thus, while the narrations in Bukhari or Muslim are generally considered to be part of the Muslims scripture, Ibn Ishaq's Sirat is definitely not. This is why, for example, a contemporary of Ibn Ishaq (or rather, Ibn Ishaq was his contemporary, since Malik was born first), Ibn Malik (a far more rigorous collector of hadith), called him out for being a liar and an imposter.

Even the wahabi's/salafi's reject much of what is included in Ibn Ishaq.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by babloyi]

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech

Trace back their parents and send them to their country of origin
and end the anchor baby laws too.

Edit the constitution....

Are you descended from Native Americans? If not, why not set an example and return to your country of origin post-haste.

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
One of the conditions of most Visas in most nations is that
you obey the law.

Another condition is that you do not incite violence.

Under these terms they should do as some members of
the EU have done and simply send them home.

You are mistakenly assuming that most US Muslims are here on Visa's. They are US citizens.

The Muslim community in the US seems extraordinarily law abiding...especially when compared to Christian extremists...bombing buildings, shooting doctors, cults in the desert marrying adolescent children etc. etc. I don't see any American Muslims doing such things.

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
If you want Sharia Law we can send you to Sharia Law.

Not start it up here.

This is the United States of America. Sharia Law has about as much chance of existing here as Judaic Law, Canon Law, Mosaic Law or any other archaic system of religious law.

I have to assume you understand the founding principles of our country? Perused the constitution once or twice? Our entire history from birth to present is premised on religious tolerance and separation of church and state.

Anyone shouting about “Sharia Law” is a bigot and a fear mongerer and frankly insults the USA while demonstrating their profound ignorance at the same time.

We are a pluralistic nation, built from the ground-up to survive any diversity of ideas, voices and religions.

If that is too much for you to handle, maybe you should spend some time somewhere that doesn’t allow free speech or religion. You might feel safer.