Maybe it would be a good idea to change the title of this thread to: "Why the west should fear immigrant Muslims" because that is after all what the OP is talking about.

Muslims living in a strict Islamic country have every right to hate Christianity or secular thinking just as much as we hate their justice system based on religion.

So it's the immigrants that pose the problem here. Like that poor excuse of a politician Geert Wilders says:" Stop the tsunami of Islam".

The OP continues to name an examples of assault/rapes from her/his capital Oslo where the numbers show evidently that it is the Muslim immigrant responsible for this.

Norwegian women dress to provocative. And they must take the blame for being raped by Muslim men.

WTF........

Is it the entire immigrated Muslim community raping provocatively dressed Norwegian women? Children and grandparents all go out at night hunting for innocent natives...

Nope, it's those angry young men!! Period!!!

We (western society) have our own angry young men as well. If they turn to their religion for counseling they will be handed solutions for their inner struggle conform the moral code of our society.

If angry young Muslim men turn to their religion for counseling it is all up to the interpretation of the Imam as to what kind of solutions are handed over.

How great is it if you are angry at society and you find a group that confirms this anger and actually says you are right!! You are all of a sudden "justified" in you actions...

I hope I don't have to explain the fragile mental state of confused young people and the ease with which they are manipulated....

This is not a Muslim integration problem, this is a problem of unguided teenagers. let's be honest here, native teenagers also lack any form of norms and values nowadays.

If you want to solve this problem maybe it would be a good idea to address

- the guidance of young adults by religious organizations.
- the overall lack of norms and values with all kids.

I don't know, the whole "Muslim" community can not be so uniform that we can isolate them as the cause for any particular problem.

Peace




[edit on 26-8-2010 by operation mindcrime]

Originally posted by babloyi

Certainly, Muhammad probably killed many people during the battles that occurred. I didn't deny this. That these battles occurred, I don't deny either. As I have mentioned before,

But again you provide a huge list (which I again suspect is copy-pasted from somewhere). Am I expected to go through each of them to show how the conclusion is wrong?

I have some sympathy for you if you don't recognise the episodes I listed. It means that you just don't know and are not deliberatley spreading missinformation.

By the way, if it is copy and paste, then surely it would be a simple matter to google search it?

Originally posted by maybereal11
A whole trove of stuff for you to plagiarize from...I'd have to sort through all of your trash to track it down, but I suspect in the end your arguments are uniquely "unoriginal"

Plagiarism is frowned upon on ATS by the way.

I plagiarised the Koran?

I suggest you contact a Mod immediately.

By the way, of course the core of my arguments are unoriginal. They are based on the Koran, the hadith and other ancient Muslim writings.

[edit on 26-8-2010 by ollncasino]

[edit on 26-8-2010 by ollncasino]

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by maybereal11
A whole trove of stuff for you to plagiarize from...I'd have to sort through all of your trash to track it down, but I suspect in the end your arguments are uniquely "unoriginal"

Plagiarism is frowned upon on ATS by the way.

I plagiarised the Koran?

You didn't quote the Koran. You quoted a ridiculous list of "intrepretations" of the Koran by a religious bashing website. WORD FOR WORD.

[edit on 26-8-2010 by maybereal11]

What you Plagerized

Originally posted by ollncasino
Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1

What the Quran says

[60:1] O you who believe, you shall not befriend My enemies and your enemies, extending love and friendship to them, even though they have disbelieved in the truth that has come to you. They persecute the messenger, and you, just because you believe in GOD, your Lord. If you mobilize to struggle in My cause, seeking My blessings, how can you secretly love them? I am fully aware of everything you conceal, and everything you declare. Those among you who do this have indeed strayed off the right path.

What you Plagurized..

Originally posted by ollncasino
Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4

What the Quran says...

[63:4] When you see them, you may be impressed by their looks. And when they speak, you may listen to their eloquence. They are like standing logs. They think that every call is intended against them. These are the real enemies; beware of them. GOD condemns them; they have deviated.

What the Bible says

2 Corinthians 6:14-18
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.”

Originally posted by maybereal11
What the Bible says

2 Corinthians 6:14-18
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.”

I can discuss the intolerance in the Old Testament with you if you wish.

I dislike intolerance whereever I find it - whether the 7% of American Muslims who support suicide bombing, intolerance in the Koran or intolerance in the Bible

What has any of the above few posts to do with the growing concern that mass immigration, particularly of those who are ideologically opposed to Western values, has increased violent crime in the West?

As far as I can tell, open honest discourse about a socio-economic issue that involves people of different faith/ideological groups has again been subverted and has thus degenerated into a puerile slanging match!

Is it really so difficult to deal in empirical stats and anecdotal evidence and leave the polarised arguements aside?

who said that western women are like dog food?



dressed the way they do and no problem if they are raped?


some iman in australia?


how bout ripping the head scarfs off their women?

make it a game, 10pts each!

Originally posted by ollncasino

But you didn't provide a link to your quote from the Koran either!

Pot meet kettle!


[edit on 27-8-2010 by ollncasino]

Now you are just making me repeat myself. It would be easier if you would honestly address my posts.

Originally posted by maybereal11

You didn't quote the Koran. You quoted a ridiculous list of "intrepretations" of the Koran by a religious bashing website. WORD FOR WORD.

[edit on 26-8-2010 by maybereal11]