9/11 even real pilots couldn't do it

Originally posted by CaptRalphPlease post the reason that TiffanyInLa was banned. After reading this thread thoroughly, I can see no other reason than that she posted evidence, and people like you accused her of being "Rob Balsamo".

Most likely because Tiff=Rob Balsamo and you lied about it.

Also cuz you threaten people on the internet and constantly break the forum rules. Dunno just a guess why the mods don't want you here.

Originally posted by CaptRalph

Please post the reason that TiffanyInLa was banned. After reading this thread thoroughly, I can see no other reason than that she posted evidence, and people like you accused her of being "Rob Balsamo".

An educated guess is that "she" lied about her claim that " "many" of the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA) officers are members of P4T". The fact is that not a single one of the listed ALPA officers are a member of P4T. When that was pointed out "she" refused to recant this claim and continued to claim this untruth.

That sort of lie simply cannot be left by itself. You have been asked to prove that statement true over a half dozen times and you refuse to. It has been proven that of the ALPA officers listed on their web site, not a single one is a member of P4T.

link here

In addition, the continued spamming of these pages and ATS with links to the P4T web site is another constant violation of the terms and conditions of use. Trying to build traffic to an increasingly moribund web site by spamming the P4T URL in every thread is not allowed.

Originally posted by trebor451

Originally posted by CaptRalph

Please post the reason that TiffanyInLa was banned. After reading this thread thoroughly, I can see no other reason than that she posted evidence, and people like you accused her of being "Rob Balsamo".

An educated guess is that "she" lied about her claim that " "many" of the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA) officers are members of P4T". The fact is that not a single one of the listed ALPA officers are a member of P4T. When that was pointed out "she" refused to recant this claim and continued to claim this untruth.

Stop waiting for a reply. CaptRalph has been banned, adding to the already impressive string of socks coming from that specific P4T IP address.

Originally posted by hooper I could not care less about a poster's identity. The poster in question, TIL, constantly avoided answering direct questions, constantly repeated responses and constantly provided spam like links to other websites and basically refused to engage in actual debate.

Please show specific examples of a direct question or questions that TILA avoided answering and explain the relevance to the topic of these alleged questions that were avoided and not answered.

As for the other two accusations... how were the links "spam" and what exactly is considered "refusal to engage in actual debate"?

clearly from reading this and many other threads, that seems to be something you're far more guilty of.

Originally posted by trebor451 CaptRalph has been banned, adding to the already impressive string of socks coming from that specific P4T IP address.

So how would you know something like that eh trebor?

reply to post by elnine


Copying and pasting the same thing repeatedly is known as spam, and repeating the same thing expecting people to react to it differently is insanity. The problem is, the links are all that was done. Tiffany was notorious for repeating the same thing over and over like a bad piece of propaganda on the news, as if repeating it made her argument right, and 90% of her links came from a site that is trying to sell you something with its information, making it highly uncredible according to my English professor.

Originally posted by elnine
As for the other two accusations... how were the links "spam" ...

Perhaps you need to read the terms and conditions of membership page.

15h.) Spamming: You will not Post identical content, or snippets of identical content, to multiple threads in the discussion forums. You will also not create more than one thread for your topic, or create multiple "slightly different" threads for a single topic.

That is *all* that "Tiffany" did - nothing but. The same post over and over and over again saying the exact same things and linking to the same P4T site. Over and over and over again.

As far as IP bans, it is a common method of determining violators of getting around banned membership. "Tiffany" and "Gaypilot" and "Hasslehoff" and "CaptRalph" et al, are most likely all the same person ("Capt" Bob Balsamo) and have been banned, most likely in my estimation, for his earlier severe transgressions of posting fraudulent material and not acknowledging the proven prevarications.

Mind you this is all speculation on my part. Your experience may vary.

Originally posted by Varemia
reply to post by elnine

 

Copying and pasting the same thing repeatedly is known as spam, and repeating the same thing expecting people to react to it differently is insanity. The problem is, the links are all that was done. Tiffany was notorious for repeating the same thing over and over like a bad piece of propaganda on the news, as if repeating it made her argument right, and 90% of her links came from a site that is trying to sell you something with its information, making it highly uncredible according to my English professor.

The interesting thing is, if the "links" posted were really violations, then why wouldn't she have been banned after doing it the first time? 90 pages went by without ANY WARNING that the material posted fell within a TAC violation which leads me to believe the material wasn't really "spam" but rather mostly and simply responses to those demanding evidence and answers to questions which would be fair game and acceptable when the SAME QUESTIONS and demands were being REPEATED over and over. If anything, The true insanity came from those who repeatedly refused to address or offer any counter-argument showing exactly how and where the data/links/responses, were wrong.

The fact remains after almost 95 pages, its more than obvious NO ONE has been able to disprove the evidence in those links/sources which you and others are trying to dismiss by calling it spam because you can't debate or disprove it. Its a classic tactic used by those who have no evidence to support their claims or disprove arguments they claim to be BS. And from reading through the entire thread, your claim and insinuation about the material being BS because they're supposedly trying to "sell something", has already been addressed and debunked.

So please show me exactly how and where the evidence she presented is wrong. You nor anyone else has been able to do any such thing because the evidence is irrefutable which is why the only responses have been obfuscating, evading or personal attacks and ad homs.

One must take into account why the twin towers were targeted, the main reason for them to be targeted was in fact due the fact that tower ones antena was being used in a most parcular manner. Now take into account that said antenta was not simply a lightning rod used to deflect lightning strikes to make it safe for close proximaty flying aircraft to enter new york air space without being hit by lightning flybies when landing close to jfk international air port. The metal istelf was composed of particulasied charged metal or lightweight copper infused titaninium the same metal composotion f-117a and b-2 bombers use during bombing runs to send and recieve signals without being detected on low running radio sielence air strikes the only way for radio broadcasting to be made without cross penetetratrating bandwidth that can be used to find said stealth bombers as they are capable of stealth flight while being controlled by computer. The signal being sent through tower ones antena a piggyback signal that was coded in a single set of 8 bit binary every 18.5 nanoseconds. Now since said signal was unremovable without over a 2.5 billion dollar overhaul of tower one could not be done as it would have taken over 9 months to change at the cost of thousands of man hours and slowing of the united states economy. So cia operatives decided in 1999 to schedule a destructive bomb run of tower run but was decided to create a terrorist threat by fabricating al qaeda by the threat of osama bin laden who was found to be dead since 1995 from kidney failure from a rare from lymphatic cancer that killed him in less than 3 years since diagnosis. Cia found that the biggest threat to the world was the signals being sent and received by tower ones antenna but at such a low bandwidth using a form of so called 'layered bit stream' or containment of smaller than light composed computer code (iso-bits) or a form of sub-binary target to the same brain wave methodology of 4 separate people on the planet. Distance differential was found to be a target 1.8 parsecs in a 90 degree reverse angle of the earths orbit or the current location of alpha centauri at the time. Since the cia could not reveal said signal broadcast it was decided to fabricate a terrorist threat by creating a timescale and paying 18 different trained so called fabricators or the so called hijackers of the 9-11 planes. Said planes were filled with 2 thousand pounds of liquid napalm each along with full complements of fuel why passenger manifest on both planes that hit both towers were low on both passengers and luggage from food to baggage by over 2 thousand pounds on each plane. Plane that hit the pentagon was sent as a warning by the persons who fabricated 9-11 to Washington to scare the white house to force usa military to hit iraq and afghanistan to give the us a predominate foot hold in the Mideast using the cia payed president of iran to deflect all attention to a fabricated Iranian nuclear arms program to give a perceived threat in the Mideast. Plane that was heading for the white house was never meant to hit the white house it was shot down by a single sidewinder by a forewarned f-16 from the cia to make it look like a terrorist threat was about to hit the united states. al queda had not the resources or no how in any way to launch a strike against the united states like this in anyway. Another thing that the superstructures of the twin towers would have held enough to prevent structural collapse if the planes that hit them were not filled with napalm why the metal in said towers didnt just catch on fire but melted from a form of superheated fusion based melting process that only the heat of a form of napalm could have generated by collapsing the central superstructures of both towers. There was an early warning system in new york or a squadron of defensive f-18 hornets that where stationed at jfk international airport that could have shot down the planes with over 5 minutes to spare in essence the planes that were heading towards the twin towers could have been shot down before they ever hit them but never were. Autopilots were hacked planes were sent on a direct course for the planetary coordinates for both towers communications were jammed by a high flying awak over the area at the time so radio frequency could not be sent out once the pilots of both planes found out that control become impossible. Planes could not be sabotaged fast enough as pilots on both planes attempted to ignite the fuel lines on both planes but was found to not be able happen fast enough as security doors to the undercarriage of both planes fuselage were locked and rendered inaccessible to the pilot's. Imagery of terrorists were fabricated through computer imagery video surveillance of said terrorists entering local airports played in part by actors as there are hardly any background imagery of crowded airports available in said footage. Cia sent a piggy back signal along the same bandwidth range of the recurring rebroadcast range on tower ones antenna after Hubble verified through imagery on 9-11-91 that alpha centauri was in fact a living star system with 8 self propelled planetoids code named 'firestars1-8' however signal broadcast was received by seti after it target the broadcast range of alpha centauri in 2003 almost 2 years after the 9-11 attacks however signal was in a state of continuous synchronicity in essence contained so much information would taken over 200 years to decode using current computer technology even from solid state processors that use a state of fused silicon or a state of circuitry that cia will not release for another 3 decades once all transistor based circuitry has reached its limits. Cia signal sent to alpha centauri was a weapons request stated like this "byranium we have more powerful material needed to help" or the chemical composition for the neutrino bomb discovered by cia in 1991 that can destroy all life on earth in less than 3 minutes but only has a half life of 33 hours. Now the primary reason for the destruction of said twin towers had nothing with the planes that headed towards Washington the primary target was the twin towers as cia discovered that the signals from alpha centauri were being targeted to a specific brainwave patterns of 4 people on the planet earth. So the cia decided to destroy the twin towers to stop these signals from being sent and received but could never convince Washington to remove the antena since they would have had to revealed to the world to existence of extraterestial life. However one thing was found before seti started to decode the signal received by alpha centauri and that was one symbol or the roman symbol for the planet mars or the inverted symbol of the human representation for male and female on top of each other as two separate binary representations of a circle with 4 clockwise lines and also a circle with 2 sets of double latticed lines for north south and east and west the roman hidden symbols for male and female. Both symbols were layered on top of each other. The header for the mars symbol simply stated the word for 'war' in every language over 10 thousand that the earth has ever known for the word. Cia later found that the broadcast symbol they decoded had the ability to infuse imagery from the end of days of earth or 75 years in the future from the birth of the red skies or the ignition of flesh by fire or the destruction of earths evolution from humans as the sacred text of biblioteka ie the 2000 year old book of mind control that the cia kept after it bought it from the russian government in 1955 that kept the history of the planet earth for 50 thousand years after the year of the 'zero' as the roman empire fabricated the book itself to control the human brain by giving them instructions from everything to do in order to control the intellectual growth of the human mind by giving them access to the methodology principles of the reversion virus that in essence controlled the human populace and would lead them towards there own species destruction through genocide of any species that tried to evolve from them from the 5 species line in the next 5 million years of homo-scientificus,homo-comunicas, then hybridization to homo-tricanicus, then pluralization of species through to homo-ventus(talls) and homo-lentus and how to make sure that humans reign by genetic reversion by keeping the genetic lines of these said evolved hominids from ever being born and if they ever were to destroy them through species parricide as the human brain is not yet capable of understanding how the process of further advancement of hominid bipedalism works over the next 5 million years. The ephesian line tried to evolve once but hom-sapien destroyed them over 15 thousand years ago and are about to do it again when homo-scientificus tries to evolve. Alpha centauri message to earth to seti simply stated that war would be declared if they tried to stop this evolutionary process from happening. But the human brain is at its current state is too small to understand this process so mental syntax of the human mind must be rewritten before these species become set in the human genome as humanity would never let these species evolve from their genetic line without destroying them by genocide. But since the dna strand starts with humanity if the humans were to kill off these species and themselves after as a show of smite to the heavens themselves all other life in the universe would be at risk. Humans know not what they are they assume they are the biggest(or that size and scope even matters as all life is equal in scope) since they have destroyed anything not like them namely other evolved bipedal hominids like a glitch in a computer program. The human species at any cost even the cost of all their lives would never allow another species to evolve from their genetic line even if it happens naturally everywhere else in the universe EVERYWHERE. Homo-sapian are the only species in the entire universe to ever exist to not understand these simple concepts simply because their brains are not yet big enough to understand how life actually works and its symbiotic relationship with the heavens themselves. If humanity does attempt to destroy any of these species that try to evolve from them the universe will have no choice but to step in and remove the last 750,000 years of homo sapien from existence by extermination of their species from the time line. Time line will be recoded and the ephesian line will be given the earth as inheritance to allow said future hominid bi-pedals to evolve from their line without interference. Humans have no idea how much hate will be generated towards these new species if their brains are not fixed so much hate in a sense that the screams of the destroyed will bring them so much pleasure they will even be cheering as the blast wave of one ignited neutrino bomb is vaporizing them. this is what the end of human civilization looks like in less than 75 more years if something is not done by the will of every species that is linked to humanity for the next 15 trillion years. However humans are so much smaller than so many of these species that the process involved would be like god himself performing brain surgery on a bacterium.

reply to post by Sonata

Imagery of terrorists were fabricated through computer imagery video surveillance of said terrorists entering local airports played in part by actors as there are hardly any background imagery of crowded airports available in said footage.

This is just so much silliness and I do not find it in the least bit humorous.
First of all, if the parts were played by actors, why bother with cgi? No one is going to take a close look at the images, which were actually someone videoing a playback on a monitor.
What someone needs to do is release the video of Atta where he was being surveilled, in Venice, Florida. That would show that he was not in Portland Maine as the supposed timeline would indicate. To me, it is obvious enough that it is not Atta in the airport video but only someone who knew him would know the difference.
And the plane that hit the second WTC tower was not a United plane so your whole story of a light passenger load is just ridiculous plus where would they be loading on napalm and how did they hide it from the normal airport crews? Answer: they didn't. The plane was a grey painted plane, the color you would see on a normal US Air Force plane.
Alpha Centauri does not have anything to do with 911 and that you included that makes be suspicious that you are a disinformation agent to obfuscate or discredit the evidence in this thread.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Sonata

 

Imagery of terrorists were fabricated through computer imagery video surveillance of said terrorists entering local airports played in part by actors as there are hardly any background imagery of crowded airports available in said footage.

This is just so much silliness and I do not find it in the least bit humorous.
First of all, if the parts were played by actors, why bother with cgi? No one is going to take a close look at the images, which were actually someone videoing a playback on a monitor.Alpha Centauri does not have anything to do with 911 and that you included that makes be suspicious that you are a disinformation agent to obfuscate or discredit the evidence in this thread.

I'm surprised you chose to even respond at all to that post... i stopped reading after the first few sentences since as you say, its clearly another attempt to obfuscate and discredit the evidence TiLA presented.

Once again, after 92 pages, I have yet to see ANYONE show exactly how and where whats she presented is wrong. This thread is an excellent source proving beyond a doubt, that the OS about real boeing 767-200's hitting the WTC, is pure fantasy.

reply to post by elnine

Once again, after 92 pages, I have yet to see ANYONE show exactly how and where whats she presented is wrong. This thread is an excellent source proving beyond a doubt, that the OS about real boeing 767-200's hitting the WTC, is pure fantasy.

SHE???

What "she" came in, garbage that was spewing, is NOT what this thread is about. The "she" you are likely referring to? Well, first off, it sure wasn't any lady!

Secondly, if you will pay very close attention, the poster using the sock screen name "Tiffany" came into this discussion WELL late...not for the "92 pages" that you so disingenuously suggested, there!

AND, the ONLY thing that "Tiffany" presented were lies, and twistings of actual data and facts, and complete nonsense, for the most part. I suggest (if you have time, or inclination) you review EACH post made by "Tiffany"...and look for the number of almost EXACT duplicates. (In case you were somehow "amazed" at the number of pages, in the thread count. THAT would be the first sign of what's known as "spamming" a thread).

Each time, the "points" and "evidences" raised, in the cartoonish and cultish posts, were addressed by solid facts and experience and examples. SOME people (it seems) choose to ignore the real facts, when presented, and prefer to cling to a mistaken belief, no matter the evidence.

NOW....enough about that (banned) ATS poster, and the utterly foolish "claims" made.

Let's review the OP of this thread (before it was hijacked by "Tiffany")....

...OH! And, for review, here is the OP!:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

(Analysis already done, many pages back, that addressed this OP. REST of the junk was as described, in the opening remarks, this post...)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW...although the OP of this thread found an article published this year, August 2010, in some "veterans" publication of some sort (perhaps a "truther"-oriented rag?), this idiot who is the author of the article, "Nila Sagadevan", first put out that nonsense back in 2005!. His level of "experience" is spotty...at best. AND, his motives questionable.

Here are some ATS posts, from a thread dating back to 2006. These were written by ATS member "defcon5", back BEFORE he was a moderator, it is important to note:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just TWO examples of very thoughtful, and most importantly, accurate reasoning.

In addition, on page #2 of that other thread (just after a casual glance, I will review it at length, later) are posts by FredT and Zaphod58 that also contribute greatly to the FACTS, and dispel much of the baloney that surrounds this topic.......

reply to post by jmdewey60


Absolute RUBBISH!!!!!

And the plane that hit the second WTC tower was not a United plane...... The plane was a grey painted plane, the color you would see on a normal US Air Force plane.

Total nonsense. For chrissakes, man! There are PHOTOS!! VIDEOS!! Airplane parts, and debris!

DNA from the passengers, and crew. Personal effects from the passengers and crew! Mountains of evidence.

To deny that, is a form of delusion....and a sorry state of affairs.

Originally posted by Sonata


One must take into account why the twin towers were targeted, the main reason for them to be targeted was in fact due the fact that tower ones antena was being used in a most parcular manner. Now...

I had heard about random sentence generating programs but had never seen them in use. I have now.

Thank you.

reply to post by weedwhacker

. . .Airplane parts. . .

Seen the serial numbers on those parts?
Go ahead and post one of those photos.
I'm going by what I saw and is not a delusion and something I have researched to verify was not somehow a fake video, what I mentioned earlier, that was live on 911, on my TV set. It may not have been on yours and there is a reason for that, which I explained.

reply to post by jmdewey60


If you have top secret information that would prove things to be otherwise, would you care to provide it? Or do we have to take your word that you've researched it to the point that you're certain?

I'd like to ask if you've seen the serial numbers either? If that's a yes, then I'd like to know what they were, and it will make you a lot more credible.

Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

OLD CAMERAS TOOK SLOW PICTURES OF SLOW ROCKETS
ROCKETS TRAVEL MUCH FASTER NOW DAYS

Thats either sarcasm or stupidity well since you did hint at sarcasm I will go with the later, as ROCKETS & MISSILES have ALWAYS traveled at high speed

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

Could you be more specific, please. What do you mean by "low tech"? Like as in using film? That's low tech maybe in some people's book. I'm talking about pixelated low resolution hand held shaky earlier generation digital cameras where the wing tips of the plane disappear in spots. How is that going to catch something going maybe 50% faster with a cruise missile or three times as fast with a conventional rocked powered missile.

Like I said PROVE its missiles that caused what you claimed SHOW us the evidence you said you found it after 1000 of hours of research, SO post a link to it, myself and a few others on here keen photographers some even professional and are posting on this thread so lets see it.

I wont hold my breath!!!

reply to post by wmd_2008
Here's a video that just came out recently from the data dump that was the result of the FOIA suit against the NIST for release of photos and videos they had collected for their own investigation of 911. Some of the stuff was already out there but lower quality such as things people recorded on home VCR's from TV broadcasts. What NIST was holding was some of the raw files like right from the camera.
In this example I am linking to, the Youtube uploader had taken the uncompressed footage and slowed it down so you can carefully watch events that happened very quickly and is hard to pick up on, at normal speed.

You should click on the little white title inside the video when you roll your mouse over it to bring it up in a new tab in Youtube and expand the frame to watch it in 480 resolution. Watch the left side of the tower as soon as the plane disappears and look for several secondary explosions popping out through the big dust and smoke cloud.
There are a lot of these small holes that show up in the other videos of the second WTC hit but they are a little hard to show because it is something you need to go through yourself and see the changes that happen from one frame to the next.
I can show one anomaly that is big and easy to pick out if I put up a photo of it. You have to realize these things are not always persistant and may appear in one frame and not on the ones just before and after. Here are two frames from two videos, one from the south and one from the east and closer, so there is a higher angle looking up to the explosion.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a64e4083f9cb.jpg[/atsimg]
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a30317a1cb52.jpg[/atsimg]
These two frames from different videos, to me, are showing the same anomaly, which I interpret as the trail of something flying past the tower at high speed and leaving a trail behind it that is there for a fraction of a second. On the second picture, this is where there is this inexplicable point in the Fairbanks video where it goes black, and when it gets to where a clear image can be resolved, this is what you see, this particular frame.
On the fist picture, this is what you see as soon as the video stabilizes after what seems to be some removed frames, where it jumps from looking at one spot to another. So, in this particular case, whatever left this trail may or may not have been picked up by the camera if it had not been tampered with before we got to see them.

reply to post by Varemia

. . .prove things to be otherwise. . .

Otherwise from what?
I guess you haven't read the thread.
I have two points of info and they both come from living in south Sarasota county, Florida.
Coincidentally, where President Bush was on 911 was also the base of operations for the "hijacking" on 911.
I believe that a camera was tracking the second WTC plane and was fed to the closest local TV station to where he was at the time of that crash. Being nearby, and apparently watching the same channel, I watched the plane in a very intimate sort of way thanks to some nice zoom-ins with a telephoto lens.
Living close to the Venice airport I have indirect connections to Atta and know where and when he was in the afternoon prior to the events I am referring to.
So, no top secret info, just stuff most people would not have noticed or realized was significant.