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Originally posted by BenIndaSun
So the planes in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon were not real either?
The people and video from the Penetagon who say the plane are what? Lying or they saw a hologram?
And the plane in Pennsylvania?
They just created a crash sight for some reason? A
nd so far I have seen nothing that tells me that guys with little to no training could not do it.
It seems that their many many places who can "prove" that "proof" is wrong. How do you pick and choose what part of theory you believe and how is any more valid then all the others including the official one.
[edit on 15-8-2010 by MrSpad]
It has been over a year since I did most of my answer-searching for the truth of the 9/11 incidents. I have forgotten some of the details, but 1 fact I remember is that there is no footage of a plane crashing into the Pentagon. Also, the FBI confiscated surveillance videos of nearby hotels and gas stations.
In Pennsylvania, here is an interesting witness account about Shanksville crash site.
How do I "pick and choose"? That's a challenge, I admit. My official belief is that I don't know what happened 9/11; which by default implies that I do not believe the official story, nor do I completely believe other theories. In assessing alleged facts, I generally believe ones that make more sense, which has thus far been predominately non-gov OS accounts.
Originally posted by Doctor G
Not even an expert can do it.
Originally posted by okbmd
reply to post by Sly1one
I have seen scores of posts where people find it totally incredulous that the passport was found while they conveniently overlook the hundreds of thousands of other paper products that were seen floating around and gathering in the streets that day .
Why do you guys not also find it incredible that all those other paper products were expelled from the towers and survived ?
I also recall reports of some of the personal effects of the passengers being found in the streets . Incredible , as well .
Originally posted by sremmos
could the windows of the wtc buildings be used as giant hologram mirrors?
if not then i think it's unreasonable to say that the planes did not hit the buildings.
many people saw the planes impact (at least the second one), they are videotaped by many third party observers as well.
Originally posted by sremmos
reply to post by lostinspace
Why are these highly advanced aliens so interested in humanity as to direct it's society? If I were traveling the universe and saw an alien civilized planet I'd be interested in directly mining it or in studying the aliens. I could not imagine being interested in being the boss of their primitive society as a more advanced species than them.
It'd be like choosing to stop doing what you were doing today to be the leader of cave men.
Originally posted by MrSpad
Originally posted by MrWendal
Well that is what we call speculation.... people will always come up with ideas and theories. What you fail to realize... and fail very well at.... is that no one has to prove how it was done, just that the probability that 3 out of 4 planes hit their targets is very much improbable.
Fact: NORAD had a very large amount of money provided by the Government for their budget in order to function on the 9/11
Fact: NORAD failed.
Fact: No one was held accountable
Now why do you think that is? Forest Gump is smart enough to see that something is amiss.... now don't you think it is time to find out once and for all what happened?
I am confused about what NORAD has to do with this? Are you saying aircraft or missles came into US air space and did the attacks and that NORAD missed it? Or do you think that NORAD should be paying less attention to monitering our airspace against foriegn threats and instead should have been monitering civilian air traffic?
Originally posted by XxiTzYoMasterxX
I agree with whoever said that they were not normal passenger planes.Because it isn't possible for the soft aluminum nose cone to slam into a steel and concrete building and come out the other side undamaged.
Like it shows here.You can clearly see the "plane" come out the other side of the tower.
Originally posted by cutzE12
Hi! My first ever post. Woo! Go Me!
I think what's being suggested here, is that, seeing as modern aircraft basically fly themselves, these planes must have been pre programmed to fly into the towers.
Now if you take the NTSB's earlier time of 9:33am, that means F-16's were sent to intercept this learjet after 35 minutes of having no contact. So how do 4 commercial jets fly around US airspace for over an hour and not a single one is intercepted? That is a HUGE failure on the part of NORAD, and sorry but Osama Bin Laden could not make that happen.
"At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response.
About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA. About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet, the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response".