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However, before getting too detailed, consider this: A VERY EASY rate of descent, in that airplane (or, any big jet) of 2,500 feet per minute can be achieved, with no outrageous "aerobatics" required. When you fly, and on the descent for landing, it is quite typical. SO...2,500 fpm is equal to ~42 feet lost, every second. At my (roughly) seven seconds, that's around 300 feet, easily. Let's say he was descending at an even faster rate...3,500 is ALSO very easy to accomplish. That gives just over 400 feet lost, in the seven seconds.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by weedwhacker
However, before getting too detailed, consider this: A VERY EASY rate of descent, in that airplane (or, any big jet) of 2,500 feet per minute can be achieved, with no outrageous "aerobatics" required. When you fly, and on the descent for landing, it is quite typical. SO...2,500 fpm is equal to ~42 feet lost, every second. At my (roughly) seven seconds, that's around 300 feet, easily. Let's say he was descending at an even faster rate...3,500 is ALSO very easy to accomplish. That gives just over 400 feet lost, in the seven seconds.
All too much guessing I think..
I can't tell by that vid how far the plane decended at all...Nothing to really mark it by...
you are not going to get a definite answer, you wanted your question answered weed has come back and given you a reasonable answer, i would say looking at the angle the jet has dropped between 250 and 300 feet, without having the exact position of the camera and angle you will not get a complete answer,
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by weemadmental
well its a powered decent, there is no "dive bombing" as you put it
I read that far and stopped..
I'm sick and tired of being told I said something I didn't say..
Try again....
I can't tell by that vid how far the plane decended at all...Nothing to really mark it by...
The video you posted to prove your point to Weed - nose dive bombing - that's what i refereed to when i gave my response,
....why is the author saying 510kts is equal to 1.19 mach?
No.....you are absolutely correct.....Mach number is completely dependent on temperature. (in AIR, and hypothetically in perfectly DRY air, just as a base of standards. Minor density variations, in air, due to moisture content are minimal. Of course, in OTHER media, speed of sound is much different, based on THAT media density and properties...).
AND, that claim is just one of many, many FALSE claims, and outright lies, perpetuated by those so-called "pilots".....a blemish on logic and facts, and an irritant and disgrace to REAL pilots, worldwide.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
If the video you refer to is the one I think it is.....welcome to the DELUSIONAL world of Rob Balsamo.....the one guy behind the so-called "pilots for truth" website and 'group'.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
No.....you are absolutely correct.....Mach number is completely dependent on temperature. (in AIR, and hypothetically in perfectly DRY air, just as a base of standards. Minor density variations, in air, due to moisture content are minimal. Of course, in OTHER media, speed of sound is much different, based on THAT media density and properties...)
AND, that claim is just one of many, many FALSE claims, and outright lies, perpetuated by those so-called "pilots".....a blemish on logic and facts, and an irritant and disgrace to REAL pilots, worldwide.
yeah, we remember... he's the one who schooled you and everyone else in this thread for over 100 pages... I think thats a new record; call Ripley's.
It wasn't until the mods had to bail you out by not only unjustifiable censoring and banning people, but actually erasing messages because the evidence against you became too overwhelming and irrefutable.
Its an even larger travesty upon TRUTH and sad day for those seeking truth by SkepticOverlords decision to actually censor and ban even the mere discussion of no planes and fakery… even worse than that, it was moved to the hoax forum and he closed the thread so no further evidence and discussion could continue…
If that isn't PROOF of trying to hide and suppress truth and simple intelligent discourse, i don't know what is. The implications of that action speaks for itself and only scratches the surface as a commentary here and proof how dangerous the evidence is becoming to the government and media.
No other subject on 9/11 has been so viciously attacked and covered up as NRPT and TV FAKERY… the PTB is so scared of the NRPT, that even when it was moved to the HOAX forum, it ended up being
banned there too! LOL.
the question is WHY? the most insane and ridiculous theories that don't even have 1% of the evidence of NRPT/tv fakery, are allowed, yet supposedly there's no evidence to support Nrpt etc but any discussion of it is banned for some reason… if there's NO EVIDENCE, there's nothing to FEAR right?? HA HA
Real Truthseekers KNOW that the evidence for no planes and tv fakery are reaching unacceptable levels of exposure and credibility in the eyes of the gatekeepers
with the new wave of no planers growing exponentially and the many real pilots coming forth to support it, so of course these outrageous and nonsensical unjustifiable attempts and measures to hide the truth and maintain ignorance, are being taken.
In fact, you know if a thread goes so far as being closed and blocked in the Hoax forum, that there's a valid reason and something they' feel a need to hide under the guise of …well, Umm in fact actually, there was no reason making any sense.
Its one thing to ban and close discussion in normal forums (which still makes no sense), but quite another to ban it in even an hoax forum.
What is S.O. so afraid of?
I've seen not one shred of evidence or an argument from him whatsoever to back up and justify the action being taken. Of everyone, you'd think he'd be able to present some type of intelligent argument to support the position or disprove a position.
The same calculator shows the same 510knts at 30,000' =mach 1.26
Seems like quite a difference..
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by truthseekr1111
yeah, we remember... he's the one who schooled you and everyone else in this thread for over 100 pages... I think thats a new record; call Ripley's.
If by "schooled" you mean repeated the same thing over and over and over again and ignoring all comments and questions - then yeah it was a lot like school - sometimes mundane and non-productive.
Originally posted by hooper
It wasn't until the mods had to bail you out by not only unjustifiable censoring and banning people, but actually erasing messages because the evidence against you became too overwhelming and irrefutable.
Yes, it was a bit overwhelming. Sometime repitition and spamming can be like that.
Originally posted by hooper
Its an even larger travesty upon TRUTH and sad day for those seeking truth by SkepticOverlords decision to actually censor and ban even the mere discussion of no planes and fakery… even worse than that, it was moved to the hoax forum and he closed the thread so no further evidence and discussion could continue…
Actually, you know its funny - even the former poster never said "no planes". Of course, the poster only said the same thing to every response so I am not suprised, maybe you should take your argument up with him/her.
Originally posted by hooper
If that isn't PROOF of trying to hide and suppress truth and simple intelligent discourse, i don't know what is. The implications of that action speaks for itself and only scratches the surface as a commentary here and proof how dangerous the evidence is becoming to the government and media.
There is still almost a hundred pages of the same argument and spam on the site, nothing is hidden, its just seem to be a waste of bandwidth after a while. I, however, do not speak for the moderator/administrator(s), just my opinion.
Originally posted by hooper
No other subject on 9/11 has been so viciously attacked and covered up as NRPT and TV FAKERY… the PTB is so scared of the NRPT, that even when it was moved to the HOAX forum, it ended up being
banned there too! LOL.
Actually, I think the garbage about there having been no real victims gets equal bile, at least as far as I'm concerned.
Originally posted by hooper
the question is WHY? the most insane and ridiculous theories that don't even have 1% of the evidence of NRPT/tv fakery, are allowed, yet supposedly there's no evidence to support Nrpt etc but any discussion of it is banned for some reason… if there's NO EVIDENCE, there's nothing to FEAR right?? HA HA
I don't change the channel when a stupid commercial comes on because I'm afraid of the product.
Originally posted by hooper
Real Truthseekers KNOW that the evidence for no planes and tv fakery are reaching unacceptable levels of exposure and credibility in the eyes of the gatekeepers
I don't think zero is an unacceptable level.
Originally posted by hooper
with the new wave of no planers growing exponentially and the many real pilots coming forth to support it, so of course these outrageous and nonsensical unjustifiable attempts and measures to hide the truth and maintain ignorance, are being taken.
What is the expotential product of zero?
Originally posted by hooper
In fact, you know if a thread goes so far as being closed and blocked in the Hoax forum, that there's a valid reason and something they' feel a need to hide under the guise of …well, Umm in fact actually, there was no reason making any sense.
Listen if your "theory" gets called a hoax in a conspiracy forum I think you may need to go back to the drawing board.
Originally posted by hooper
Its one thing to ban and close discussion in normal forums (which still makes no sense), but quite another to ban it in even an hoax forum.
So your "theory" doesn't even hold enough weight to be considered a good hoax in a forum dedicated to the discussion of conspiracies and you think the problem is with the forum?
Originally posted by hooper
What is S.O. so afraid of?
I don't think you touched on the correct emotion there.
Originally posted by hooper
I've seen not one shred of evidence or an argument from him whatsoever to back up and justify the action being taken. Of everyone, you'd think he'd be able to present some type of intelligent argument to support the position or disprove a position.
That your "theory" isn't even a good hoax?
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by backinblack
Darn it! Wish I'd seen this back when you wrote it, it is so easy to explain. YOU, as a pilot, should have had your own answer by now? I mean, you have more knowledge than a non-pilot....even if you have no jet or high-altitude experience.
The same calculator shows the same 510knts at 30,000' =mach 1.26
Seems like quite a difference..
The units used, in this case "knots", would be what is INDICATED airspeed (or, CALIBRATED....YOU know the difference, and it isn't much of a difference, in practical use). You also, I presume, understand what "TRUE airspeed is.
That is your clue to solving this. Simply put, at 30,000 feet, IF you accelerated to an indicated speed of 510Kt...then, yes the mach number would be as calculated. BUT, your TRUE airspeed would also be much MORE than 510Kt. Compared to Sea Level where the Indicated/True are virtually the same.....
Get it?