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Security Tackles and Chokes Deaf Customer For Failing to Respond

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posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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I would hope not.

Chokes are meant to kill..

There's no place for them outside of lethal force, these guards should be charged with attempted murder.

Scenario 1.. You collapse the trachea by force leaving them unable to breath until they are treated.. And it would likely take paramedics not just guards with first responder certifications.

Scenario 2... Carotid arteries are compressed strong enough to stop blood flow to the brain.. this takes a matter of seconds, and they go unconcious. Go a little longer, they don't wake up.

The police department here no longer authorizes use of chokes, nor do they train them as a method of restraint due to too many accidental deaths.




posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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If a security guard attacked me like this.. he'd be getting a knife several different ways on his body.

And I'd call it self defense, which wouldn't be hard to prove.

Of course I an easily out run 90% of the security guards I have seen.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
Security is allowed to do these kind of things? I've worked security before I had no idea they are allowed to detain, or assault anybody! Well this is California....maybe its different over there.

[edit on 8/14/2010 by The Endtime Warrior]


I worked as a security officer in Calif for the Navy and we were trained never to use force unless force was used by the person being detained first. Verbal orders and blocking there way out is what i was trained.

I know if i had force used against me by a security guard and i had not taken anything someone would get hurt and with my martial arts training it would likely be the security guard.

By the way A security guard tries to stop the video taping of the incident to no avail. Sounds like the guards knew they were in the wrong.

There are many want to be cops out there and stores that do not train there guards properly.

And there are many cops out there that do not know the laws that security guards must fallow. Or that ignore the fact that the guard broke the law just to make a arrest.

[edit on 14-8-2010 by ANNED]



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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You've got to be kidding.
Do you think the attacking morons actually can read?
And if so, do you actually think those guys would take the time to read a medi-bracelet or pendant?

gj



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 07:28 PM
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Yes....for sure they are morons. I'm sure there are lots of genuineliy decent security people - it's just that these days there seem to be an increasing number of morons - who are capable of doing this sort of thing.

The good ones, I deeply appreciate.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 07:28 PM
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edited to remove duplicate post.

[edit on 14-8-2010 by wcitizen]



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 07:33 PM
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Maybe a flashing light as well as an audible alarm, so that deaf people aren't at risk of this kind of thing.

I think that would be preferable to wearing a label which signals 'I am deaf'.

And proper training for security employees.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 07:35 PM
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That would be great...I do hope you're right and that is what happens.

It might make the store re-think the training (or lack of) they give their security staff too.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 07:48 PM
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We didn't get to see the incident that caused the man to be tackled.
But by his behavior after the tackle and choke hold is used, I would guess
this is an example of excessive force, because he seems reasonably
cooperative given his circumstance.

There was one instance where he could have gouged an eye, and another
where he could have used quite a bit of leverage against the SG, but mostly
he was just tapping the guy to get him to ease up, or trying to squirm away
from being smother-hugged by Mr. Muscles.

The youtube poster relates that he was charged with robbery which is
fairly interesting if the information is correct. Then definition of robbery is
theft by use of force. I wonder if they are trying to allege that the
deaf man's attempt to extricate himself from being restrained constitutes
forceful theft....that would be quite a stretch of the definition.

My other observation is you would have to be a moose not to immediately
understand that these men were handicapped in some way. They're
both making odd loud noises and gesticulating wildly from time to time.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 08:03 PM
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ABC has an interesting interview with the brother on the video. Also the statement by the store says "Light & sound" alarm and that they acknowledged it and fled. That doesn't make the felony committed by the security guard go away thought. He has only been suspended and not charged with anything



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 08:08 PM
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To answer some other posters, a choke hold would have to be massively
applied to crush the larynx. It would take a very strong man purposefully
using the technique of applying the forearm to crush the windpipe.

Oh, and I don't think the SG's were concerning themselves with looking for
handicap ID tags. If they were the least bit sensitive I would think
think that the guy's running around and shouting "...Gaaawk...gug, ummmpha, ooooga....baaaahhhk," while making spastic hand signals should have alerted
them to the fact that they weren't dealing with retarded 'bangers throwing
random gang signs....just an opinion



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 10:12 PM
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Soon there will be summary executions.

And when that day comes I will log onto ATS and read posts made by people who justify the executions - "he didn't obey the unlawful order, he deserved death"

I say this because when people are summarily tortured, I log onto ATS and see posts saying "he didn't obey the unlawful order, he deserved torture"....



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by rival
Oh, and I don't think the SG's were concerning themselves with looking for
handicap ID tags. If they were the least bit sensitive I would think
think that the guy's running around and shouting "...Gaaawk...gug, ummmpha, ooooga....baaaahhhk," while making spastic hand signals should have alerted
them to the fact that they weren't dealing with retarded 'bangers throwing
random gang signs....just an opinion


When I see a white cane with a red tip, 'blind person' immediately comes to mind. It would be helpful if there were a similar symbol for deaf, such as a blue bracelet. But given the level of intelligence I've seen in this thread, maybe a SpongeBob SquarePants helmet would be more appropriate.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by wcitizen
reply to post by mishigas
 


Maybe a flashing light as well as an audible alarm,


What?

On the deaf people?



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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Do you know where they wear those?

Bracelet, necklace, anklets.


None of those things a guard is going to check while tackling a person.

"Hes down. Better check to make sure hes not diabetic!"



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 11:02 PM
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It doesn't take much force to compress the carotid arteries though.

And I don't know how much force it actually takes.

All I've been told my several martial arts instructors is that it only takes a good punch.

But that could be the result of the velocity and less of the strength applied.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:24 AM
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Do you know where they wear those?

Bracelet, necklace, anklets.


None of those things a guard is going to check while tackling a person.

"Hes down. Better check to make sure hes not diabetic!"


Uhh... maybe it would work better if they checked before they jumped on the guy???


And if you're gonna argue that a bracelet is too small, etc., maybe we can go with something a little more obvious? Like a brightly colored belt like a crossing guard wears? It would be voluntary, you know. We wouldn't be making anyone wear it...:shk:

Nah, let's stick with the SpongeBob helmet.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:05 PM
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I'd have been like ::put on ninja mask, spinning roundhouse kick to the security guards head, run away::

Seems like these guys used too much force for no good reason. I hope they lose their jobs and go to jail and get a felony record, and then go on to help mentor kids to keep them out of violent lifestyles.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by againuntodust]



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