Is Sweden is being destroyed ?

reply to post by Shades1035


is it racist to say the that integration of refuges and later immigration has not worked out as they hoped and that "violence" has been centralized to certain areas due to social and cultural rituals ?

Originally posted by sassyncute
Sweden is basically the last Neutral country. We all knew that with their way of life being so open and easy, having a doctor living next door to a janitor and cleaner next door to a school teacher (because of the tax system) everything seemed to be put into perfect perspective for the rest of Europe and we had something to admire about Swedish life besides its incredibly hot girls and great 80's porn

But now Sweden is being taken advantage of by Immigrants who see them as an easy target a place where they can abuse the system. Many of these undesired immigrants are ruining a great way of life in Sweden causing extreme stress on a social and welfare system. These immigrants who are prevalent throughout Europe are nothing but savage unevolved beasts who suck the very essence out of a country and turn everything that is pure into something that is foul.

I have always loved Sweden, I have many a Swedish friend and I used to head down to the Swedish vodka bar in London UK and have myself a gay old time.

I am very worried for Sweden and its culture. Ok they have ruined the music scene with the likes of Ace of Base, ABBA, Basshunter. But please do not let this poor chioce in music detract from the fact that Sweden has long been its own law which has disgruntled the likes of Islamic fundamentalists over the recent years, they have been pissed at the way Sweden has stood fast over its ways and not bowed to the pressure Islam has tried to force on many countries in Europe. We need to back Sweden in its troubles and show support for a great and cool country.

Don't forget a great worldly archive of Intelligence and visual stimulation is housed and run from Sweden : PirateBay. I would like this to remain intact. Also one of the best past times in Sweden is to spend time with friends drinking and using the sauna then running outside and rolling around in the snow. This to me is big LULZ and a great way to pass time. I also love the fact the 1980's actually ended in 1995 in Sweden. Cool as F***

Nice post OP thanks for the heads up!!!



[edit on 14-8-2010 by sassyncute]

[edit on 14-8-2010 by sassyncute]

Good post, Sassyncute! I got a glimpse of Sweden back in 1991. Stockholm was a beautiful city then. It grieves me to think this is happening to a once beautiful (and probably the most progressive) country in the world.

SeaWind

reply to post by SeaWind


Outbreed? You're forgetting one very basic thing, friend. We're all humans.

I've been fortunate enough to have lived in several cities here in Sweden, in three different regions of the country. In none of them have there been any "ghettos" or places in the city where foreigners are somehow gathered and crime mysteriously sky-rocket. The immigrants I know have integrated very well into our society, and have been, quite frankly, awesomely nice guys. That's including the Muslims, who I have nothing but good to say of.

In fact, I once studied with a guy who could quote the whole Qu'ran from memory. He was one of the most humorous and friendly people I've ever met. In fact, I'd go so far as to say this to everyone who is critical of our immigration politics; I would like nothing more than to see more people like them come to Sweden. Our country can only become better for it.

Edit to add: Exceptions to the "Ghetto rule" is Malmö and Stockholm, to a certain extent. I've never lived in either, though, so I don't know specifics.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by David_Reale]

Originally posted by bettermakings
They want civil war. It's been planned for decades, didn't you know?

Muslims were to be brought into Europe to such a high degree that they don't assimilate and create their own ghettos. This has happened.

Then the Muslims will cause problems, but everyone will ignore the threat because they will call it "anti-Muslim" to criticize Muslims. This is happening now, as you can see.

Those who criticize Muslims/Islam will be called "the next Nazis" and "Islamophobic" and so on. This is happening.

The REAL Nazis, the Jew-hating & freedom-hating Muslim extremists will gain more & more ground while most people ignore the threat. This is happening now.

Finally, something will trigger a civil-war, maybe a symbolic assassination, a law put into effect, a terrorist attack, or any other trigger, and Muslims, being told by their Koran of the end-times, to take over the world, to rape & pillage and all that, will kill millions of Europeans.

After several million Europeans are killed directly by Muslim immigrants, who will likely be going door-to-door in some inner-city areas to find & kill non-Muslims, eventually, after the damage is done, Europe is destroyed, and finally everyone knows that the threat was always the Muslims and the "Islamophobes" were correct the whole time, then, and only then, will American troops come to save the day.

It'll probably take a few years for American troops to root out all these Muslims, many of whom were moderate Muslims until the civil-war started, but were forced to choose sides with the extremists, because in the beginning it would seem like they would win.

I predict it will be Geert Wilders as the trigger, whether by his assassination, prosecution, or the opposite, his rise to power and banning of the Koran, which would trigger these Muslim psychopaths who are brainwashed by Mohamed to react violently to any extreme oppression.

This last point is obvious if you look at the violent reaction of Palestinians when being persecuted, while Christians of Iraq (or any non-Muslims being persecuted in any place) peacefully try to leave the area where they are being persecuted. Iraqi-Christians being persecuted & slaughtered worse than Palestinians could imagine happen in Israel, never ever blow up ANYthing, while Palestinians blow up everything!

That is the Muslim reaction. All it takes is a trigger.

I dont know where you're coming from but Wilders will be in a "tolerate" or "allowance" government, just like in Denmark..We're gonna have two parties in the coaltion a conservative christian democrats and right wing liberal party, Wilders will be "tolerating" and backing this government from parliament[he wont be in the government but will be pulling some strings but still wont be able to bvan the Koran ] This has proven to be stable and worked in Denmark so i hope it will work in Holland too. Maybe Sweden will walk he same path. From what i understand is that they pay very high taxes and lots goes to social security, with a more right wing government it may go more to a "night watchmen state"..

I dont think Wilders will get shot, his security is comparable with a US president, i hope he gets the same protection when he speaks at 9/11 against the Cordoba mosque in NY....

[edit on 15-8-2010 by Foppezao]

Originally posted by zerbot565
reply to post by Shades1035

 

is it racist to say the that integration of refuges and later immigration has not worked out as they hoped and that "violence" has been centralized to certain areas due to social and cultural rituals ?

No, it's not racist. I am just commenting on the video. It's a hoax because it portrays a false image on what's going on in Sweden.

If they had made a video with real facts, people on ATS would just yawn I guess so they have to make a propaganda lying vid.

The facts are like in all other countries there are some problems with integration and immigrant youth gangs are probably somewhat higher in the crime statistics. Might be more of class or unemployment issue though. I would welcome more debate about that, but the politicians are afraid of being labelled as racist.

All in all though, Sweden is ok and quite safe most of the time and that includes the immigrant suburbs in the big cities

[edit on 15-8-2010 by Shades1035]

reply to post by SeaWind

Edews, it may not be obvious to you now. But this problem will only grow with time. They will outbreed the Swedes. Or are you one who supports this "immigration" (invasion).

Seawind, I am one of those who supports immigration, no matter what religion or colour of skin. This thread has been a joke since the OP posted it and I'm surprised that it has been allowed to go for so long.

The OP was posted a you tube vid from a Stormfront source and has not backed up this accusation in any way. No-one wants to see this type of fundamentalism on ATS, and I realise you're a new member, so possibly you haven't picked up on it yet.

If you want to post religious smears all over ATS then be prepared for backlash. People here have had enough of this type of thread. If you do wish to contribute to ATS, do it in a reasonable and well mannered way, and back up your posts with some type of credible source.

This entire thread has deviated away from the OP anyway. Can't we just have a new forum for religious bigotry so people don't have to see this type of stuff? It gives ATS a bad name.

Cheers
Shane

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

Get Rid of List:

God vs.Devil
Religion vs. Religion
Immigration vs. Legal citizen
War vs. War
Country vs. Country
Republican vs Democrat
Skin color vs. Skin color
Ideology vs. Ideology
Abortion vs. Life
Rich vs. Poor
Free vs. Slave
Me vs. You

We need a reset. S & F for Reset.....

Most attempted resets have been genocides here on Earth.

I like a lot of what you want on your list, but the problem is
that it is VERY hard to get ppl to agree on much of anything
these days.

Lots of ppl think "their way or the highway" and when things
boil over into a mess like is occurring in various locations
around the world it usually ends up in violence.

For those who see this trend and no longer want to be part of it
I suggest you just walk away if good diplomatic efforts at
resolution have failed.

Go some place safe and protect you and your family, but be
ready to persecuted as a refugee and consider multiple
bug out locations.

If you are cornered and have no choice but to protect yourself
of course do that, but some of the chaos is being contrived via
the polarizing ideologies you have listed, and if you can walk away
then walk away.

The only method I can think of that might have your idea work would
be a group of ppl take this pledge and sign it and as a group buy
a small island with full rights of self governance in one of the many
island chains world wide and start anew there.

Anyone reaching adulthood must sign the pledge and abide by it
or be banished from the island after 3 strikes.

If the island works well as an experiment it can serve as and example
to others and then buy a 2nd island, wash, rinse , repeat.




[edit on 15-8-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

Originally posted by Mr Poopra

Originally posted by Zyril
reply to post by Mr Poopra

 

So, you don't think there is a chance that the cultural boundaries can be wiped out and that we all can live in harmony, together?

Personally, I don't care whether my doctor was born in Sweden, Pakistan or the USA. As long as he is an educated doctor I wouldn't mind. People are complaining about immigrants taking their jobs, but I hate the fact that I everyday see well educated people from the middle-east driving the bus when I get to work instead of some none-educated swede who's living on the money he/she gets from the government.

Hope you get what I mean.

I absolutely agree with you, but it's because we have expanded our mind and understanding of humanity and religion. We don't think in terms of "us" and "them" anymore. I don't care what religion or nationality people are as long as they are the best at what they do. The problem with radical Islam is that it is not a religion of tolerance and assimilation. It's a religion of war, conquest, conversion, and oppression by force.

The Muslims want to build a mosque near the World Trade Center and we are actually debating it. Some people (including Bloomberg and Obama) want it built! That's naivety at it's finest. Try going to Tehran or Saudi Arabia and demanding a huge Christian Church be built in the capital. See how far you get. They don't want to coexist, they want to spread THEIR beliefs and crush all opposing viewpoints.

As Thomas Jefferson said, "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." The problem is when a religion claims to be the "right" one and imposes these beliefs by force. Such a religion, IMO, must be eradicated.

The problem at hand is the entitlement spending we've grown people accustomed to. Not working, ignoring education, having tons of kids and being unable to support them, then being rewarded for their behavior with free money from the gov. In a way it has been plain extortion. We pay them, and they in turn don't commit crimes to get money. This rewarding of bad behavior will come back to bite us when this money goes dry. Expect riots the size of which have never existed since the inception of the Earth. Murder, theft, rioting, looting, etc...people will provide for themselves by whatever means necessary. The poor vastly outnumber the middle class and up. It will be absolute anarchy and it's all our fault.

[edit on 8/14/2010 by Mr Poopra]

Mr. Poopra, I'm neither Christian nor Jew, but when Pat Robertson said, "Islam is a violent totalitarian political system disguised as a religion." I could have cheered -- that Robertson had the b**ls to speak the truth in public. Finally the truth from someone who was NOT afraid of being politically INcorrect.

The NWO is using the Radical Islamics for their own nefarious purposes.

Both Europe & the US are being destroyed intentionally.

SeaWind

reply to post by Stormdancer777

This has been posted elsewhere by me and others but it
is relevant to this discussion.



The dictator of Libya even agrees with it and has accepted the
information in this video as the proof of their coming victory
in Europe.

Every barrel of OPEC oil we buy funds this invasion.

It is time we do what Valcent Technologies has shown us
and start growing our oil in the ample unused deserts.



After we get things sorted out with hydrogen we can switch over to
biological hydrogen production, but the bio oil method is ready now.

en.wikipedia.org...

We have the tools to fix a lot of our problems, we just have
corrupt bought off management that is playing the game
of the influence peddling billionaires.

Look at most countries with a large population of muslim immigrants. The Netherlands, France, The UK, apparently Sweden now. I think they are starting to see the forest for the trees now. And no it isn't EVERY muslim. But it's enough to cause problems.

You come to a country, you live by and obey their laws, they don't follow the laws of your country of origin. I think many european countries, who have had a history of being very open and liberal (not that there is anything wrong with that per se) are starting to see this come back to bite them in the ass.

Someone needs to stand up and say, no, you are in Britain. Sharia law does not trump British law. If you don't like it, you know where Sharia law is practiced. Go there.

reply to post by zerbot565



I have lived on the blue line for my entire life up until this year and I've never had any big problems travelling there at night, going home from clubs or whatever. Sure, there are a lot of drunk people at night, but they're drunk people everywhere on every subway line.

It seems that you have had a really bad experience living in Stockholm as you mention so many issues you've had here?

You wont get into trouble if you are a bit street smart, know where to go at night, which crowds to stay away from etc. Maybe you just had some really bad luck, coz yeah stuff happens to people, not saying that people doesn't get robbed or hurt but it's like that in every big city.

PROBLEM - REACTION - SOLUTION

We all know who creates the problem (and it's not the government). As an example look at the reaction to the Sweden video. And, if the government said we can make you safe but you'll have to let us take your freedom away? Is that the solution?

Haha, Is Sweden is being destroyed? Det hela beror kanske på hur man ser det, här i mellersta Sverige är allt lugna gatan. Har inte orkat kolla igenom vad som skrivits tidigare men jag gissar på att det är en hel del kvasi-antisemitiska kommentarer om Malmö i allmänhet och Rosengård i synnerhet? Rätt gissat? Får jag en kaka nu?

Ooops, my bad. I Forgot that it's probably someone who either (a) isn't from Sweden or (b) hasn't finished grade school (by the looks of it, perhaps both) that started this thread. Anyhow, move along people, nothing to see here. Just the daily riots that all countries have from time to time=)

[edit on 15-8-2010 by rasalhague]

Originally posted by felonius

Originally posted by deccal
reply to post by felonius

 

These words are exactly what I expected from someone who lives in Texas.
You have no clue about the world, and its new shape. You can continue to execute your criminals in electric chair.
The movie I recommended above is also for you, but I warn you, it is "too" complex.

I'm really starting to enjoy not liking you

.

Your English is fine BTW.

Wasting aholes in the chair? Not for a while. We do it the "candy ass" method with a shot. Good old "Sparky" in Huntsville used to light'em up. Murderers and Rapists never repeated an offense after either of them though.

By your pic, I will surmise your Japanese. I've a lot of respect for your culture. Congratulations on keeping your nation relatively homogeneous ethically though. Makes things much easier when everyone is on the same page. Doesn't seem that you have much of a muslim problem there. Hmmm. I wonder why? Would the Yakuza "smoke" their butts? I think so.

Your ad Hominem remarks would carry a bit more weight if you would tell me where I'm wrong though. I don't think I've ever directly attacked you (not that I give a rats ass though

)

I guarantee you wouldn't have the stones to say this crap to my face though.

Thanks for showin up brutha!

Felonius, Deccal is an apologist for/defender of Islam. And may be a closet Jihadist. He uses a Japanese "avatar" but I would be surprised if he's really Japanese.

Most Japanese are Shinto/Buddhist with a small contingent of Christians. Muslims kill Buddhists too.

SeaWind

The video proves nothing. I found no validation of the story from another news source. How can this scaremongering make the first page, It blows my mind.

And to all the Swedes, great to see so many of us here, had no idea!

But also, do Sweden really got any real Ghettos comparable to the US or France (?). When I think of a ghetto I think of fallen run down urban areas with homeless and poor people everywhere, and yes of course there are those who are very poor but our standards in Sweden are pretty high compared to other countries I believe. What do you other guys n girls think?

By definition, there are ghettos:

A ghetto is now described as an overcrowded urban area often associated with a specific ethnic or racial population; especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure.[1]

from: en.wikipedia.org...

But to we have slum areas where absolutely no social worker or police wants to set foot in? I think not.

Also, just to clarify, as Sweden got mass immigration since a long time back, we have problems with immigrants coming here and some of them are causing trouble. But its A problem, not a war or the biggest thing happening here.

The articles in the video are real but exaggerated and taken out of context. We have a lot of problems with Swedes who are causing trouble too.

What I think is one of the biggest problems here are the low prison sentences, which might encourage people to do crime as you get away with it and get released after a few years IF you would get jail time.

reply to post by Sambell


I think you're spot on. Sweden has no real ghettos by, for example, American standards. The closest I can think of would be Rosengård, but, you know, even that's not exactly South Central. I've never been there myself, and I know there was some trouble a few months back, but I doubt it's really that bad there.

Any of my fellow Swedes here that can give first-hand info on that for me?

The low jail sentences, though, as Sambell says, are an unfortunate flaw in our justice system, I must say. A flaw, of course, that parties like SD exploit to fit their agenda, and to gain voters.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by David_Reale]

Originally posted by pryingopen3rdeye
that video is propaganda, a real issue spun to suit an agenda, it should be obvious.

the solution posed by the video is to increase police funding, pay them higher wages, tax the people more so you can also hire more police. how anyone in their right mind thinks that is the solution is beyond me.

think about it, we lived for tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of years on this world without a police force, under governments far worse,

whats the difference between then and now that cause this?

the eradication of the right to self defense, so now only the criminals can defend themselves, while the law abiding citizens become sitting ducks, vulnerable to anything and everything,

stop looking for someone else to help you. help yourselves.

every person should be able to defend themselves, and in an age of guns, that means everyone should carry a gun, dont be scared by that idea, the fear is what keeps you defenseless

Pryingopen3rdeye: "In an age of guns, that means everyone should carry a gun..."

So you're telling the Swedes to pack heat? What are the guns laws in Sweden? Is this even an option for the Swedes?

SeaWind

Originally posted by Unity_99
My way of looking at this is, even if the bloodlines have a plan to further their NWO with these kind of tensions and a wish to create Sharia law, type states, its not going to happen, or rather, its in our hands. We're the ones who need to make inroads into peace, love, freedom, equality, respect, and caring about others.

Whatever the corporations/bankers lift off, we need to diffuse with love.


[edit on 14-8-2010 by Unity_99]

Unity_99, puff, puff that Magic Dragon!

Love & Peace,

SeaWind

[edit on 15-8-2010 by SeaWind]

reply to post by Stormdancer777


If these problems were factual, where would one go to prove or disprove them? What creditable source? The mainstream media that is likely in the pocket of the controllers'? To a right wing hate group that might beef up the facts? A number of the Swedes posting here have said something to the effect that 'there are problems here like everywhere, just not to this extent'. Or is it just possible that many enlightened posters on ATS live in areas the violence has yet to touch? Is it possible they would never have need or desire to travel to the areas where the violence can be found and seen first hand?

Here's an interesting piece from a Swedish blogger on a seemingly unrelated topic:

Nudity and Violence in Sweden

And so this fellow says that nudity is preferential to violence in the news and entertainment in Sweden. Is it possible that nudity is a diversion and a cover for what might be going on close to home or should I say close to Stockholm? If the government was not able to adequately handle violence and unrest in some quarters, would it be at all advantageous to keep that from the rest of the citizens? Selective reporting. Selective coverage.

Is there any source that is reliable in the eyes of the naysayers? Do you keep your eyes conveniently shut because the news comes from a source that you hold in contempt? Right wing racists might not receive your measure of universal loving but that does not mean their complaints are without merit. And so I would say don't hate the hater, there might be a kernel of justification in his hate. Just because you would use different tactics in attacking the problem does not mean there is no problem.

Another interesting blog entry from 2006. This one especially right wing so just ignore as usual:

Islamic violence in Sweden

An interesting excerpt for those open to it:

To quote Jonathan Friedman, a New Yorker who teaches social anthropology at the University of Lund, "no debate about immigration policies is possible" because Sweden's "political class," which controls public debate, simply avoids the topic.

Another contemptuous right wing blog entry from 2006:

Plain Speech By The Malmo Police: It’s All Going To Hell In Sweden!

But this is not the official news from a creditable MSM source. Nothing to see here, move along as they might say in Malmo. But in Swedish of course.

For those that say there is nothing to any of this, I for one can't believe that. The Internet is full of articles from varied sources regarding the immigrant violence in Sweden. YouTube, still a relatively open forum, full of diverse videos of the same.



I have to believe where there is enough smoke there is fire. No apologies for the punning. These problems are well known and orchestrated for the benefit of only the elite. Is it any wonder this would not be broadcast by the Swedish government or media? You'd scare the remaining tourists and there's still wealth to be had there. It will eventually be covered by the MSM in Sweden. When it resembles the towns in Mexico where even the police can't venture.

Love and hugs and all forms of benign negligence are not the answers. They are the answers the elite prefer. They prefer that everyone, everywhere, regardless of race, faith and country of origin rolls over and takes it with but a whimper. "Thank you sir, may I have another." That is the world they are sculpting. There are boundaries and structures that allow love and understanding to thrive and they are breaking what little remains of those down. One impoverished world, one bland color, one pure thought and it's not love, it's control. Chaos makes good people beg to be controlled.