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The Amazing DNA molecule

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posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 11:19 PM
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I enjoyed the original post as very mind boggling but informative.
While surfing I came across sites that say that DNA repair can be effected by the use of frequencies.

If anyone has any inklings that this is a feasible. I have seen a video about a damaged base pair that gets a rung repaired simulation but not a lot of info. AS well I wonder about a missing rung in a DNA chain.Can it be added by the same methods?

Thank you for any solid input!




posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:14 AM
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Is there really a written language that the DNA is made up of?


Indeed there is....

Its all about "Communication" between 2 Ends of "Awareness". "Consciousness", i.e. LIFE or what ever other label you wish to give it.

One end produces the "Experience" while the other end "Experiences" it.

There is a huge "Net Work" of Constructs that manifest the experience where each consists of 2 Books which interact.

Each of the "Constructs" within the "Network" has a "Species Book" which interacts with a common "Environmental Book" in the form of a "Memory Map".

Both these "Books" are continuously being "Updated"...

The Universe is nothing more than a "Memory Map" being decoded by each of the "Constructs" within a Network.

We "Read" & "Write" to this "Memory Map" without realising...


There is a Language behind The All.

It is through this Communication we interpret the "Story" as our experience.

Without Communication there would be no Universe, Universes or any other worlds not representing Universes.

There is a Written "Program" which produced the Chemical Program we call DNA.

But the Experience we have i.e. the "Species Program" and the "Environmental Program" is made up of billions of programs.

But each Construct (That which decodes the "Books") has all the "Programs" within them.

What we Experience, is totally different than what produces the Experience.

All is "Decoded" from "Static Libraries" and Compiled in such a way as to produce a "Dynamic Program".

Never the less this still involves mechanics.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:16 AM
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I believe it would take one with more than 46 chromosomes to even comprehend the questions the OP poses. On the other hand, some genes aren't even 'activated' or turned on. An understanding of the other dimensions would help as well.

There are much more pressing issues for the 'day' anyhow though I believe the following link may enlighten one in a new direction:



"The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 noughts after it.... It is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor on any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence."




These "star children" were "seeded" into humanity without the apparent knowledge of the Earth humans they came into contact with, to help, in the apparent view of Extraterrestrials to "elevate and inspire the socially creative potentials of humanity."




The collective consciousness of the universe is deemed to have manifested in the thoughts, feelings, and sensations of be-ings, who spawned 'the universe'. Therefore, the universe would expand as an expression of this consciousness.




At the same time, the life expectancy living in planets without the kind of pollution, and social oppression on Earth is represented by exo-scientists as apparent "being much higher than on Earth."




At the same time, the life expectancy living in planets without the kind of pollution, and social oppression on Earth is represented by exo-scientists as apparent "being much higher than on Earth."


A primordial soup of ET DNA.

If th-E+ or 'a' Creator wants to be known, it must first be knowAble.

Remember? the following; If something does not make Sense, it was not 'designed' to. Trust your innate and intuitive Gifts. They are there for a 'Reason', a Good One. The best things in life truly 'Are' free.

Good night, morning, wherever you may 'Find Yourself'.
A new beginning.....?
Your choice.


[edit on 15-8-2010 by Perseus Apex]



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by Calender
The question is this:
Do you believe that highly complex, highly reliable machinery can come about by chance? Without solid proof, would not such a belief amount to blind faith?


You are clearly scientifically illiterate if you believe this is the case.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 03:21 AM
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OP ... a most interesting and thought provoking thread ... well done


I've long been a believer that the DNA molecule encodes far more information than it is generally believed to do.
From my point of view, many of the gross physical structures such as the heart, arteries, etc could NOT be constructed without also encoding necessary details such as distances, angles and lengths. A simple example is the construction of the femoral artery complex in the thigh. This artery complex obviously has a starting point (A) as well as a finishing point (B). To successfully connect point A to point B, many thousands/millions of cells need to be manufactured and need to be guided along specific lengths and in specific directions if these 2 points are to be eventually connected. I believe that such essential and necessary guidance information MUST be made available during the construction phase and furthermore, that such distance/angle/length information has to be encoded within the DNA.

I actually created a thread a while ago expanding on this subject and those that found the OP's thread interesting (as I did) may also want to check it out:

Genetics: Does DNA also encode mathematical values of lengths, distances and angles ?



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by Death_Kron
There's absolutely no way, in my opinion, that we "evolved" or grew into existance from nothing

There's no way that anything can be produced from nothing. IMO, I just think of "evolution" as one of the tools of the Creator...Just as the Declaration of Independance says "the Laws of Nature as set forth by the Creator."

Even in the bible, we are described as having "come from the Earth." So who's to say that the Creator is NOT the very Laws of Nature in themselves? This would indeed mean that the Creator is omni-present: the Natural Law is manifest everywhere, from the smallest of sub-atomic particles & waveforms of energy all the way to the macrocosm of the entire universe. We are only beginning to understand the scope & incentricities for the Laws of Nature: As complex of knowledge we've learned so far, how much more knowledge is left undiscovered? So far, humanity can still create nothing, as we're still restricted to the ability of merely re-arranging that-which-already-exists into a modified form that we desire & even that's on a limited scale. So, the Creator can also be described as omnipotent too. Everyone beginning to see a pattern here?


As complex as the DNA actually is, you must also understand the amount of time it took to organize all of that info, right back to the very beginnings of "inorganic" chemicals coming together in just the right way to begin life. As the OP explains, as long as it would him to type just the list all of the info in a DNA strand, the Natural Laws took a few billion years just to get it organized into the compact form we see today.

Let us also not forget that we live in a universe of not only matter, but energy & time as well...Just the Physical Laws that allow for a cyclic interchange between matter & energy cannot be accomplished without time, neither could the DNA just "pop out of nowhere" if there was no time for it to happen. The Earth was much more radioactive (due to the fact that radioactive matter gradually decays into more stable forms) way back when & our atmosphere was composed of gases in a very different combination (oxygen wasn't produced until the first blue-green algae existed) than today also & even the amount of solar & cosmic forms of radiation had to penetrate variable densities of atmosphere too: All of the earliest proto-chemicals where under a lot of different environmental stresses than they are now.

No, it wouldn't be very smart to throw a bunch of parts into a box & expect to have a bicycle pop out...Not without some form of action/interaction happening over time. As the Laws of Nature needed a constant interaction with the environment to produce life, our box of parts also needs some form of constant interaction to make a bicycle from those parts. Evolution is merely a "process" that is a small part of the Laws of Nature in motion.

In short, I see no discrepency between Evolution & Creation...I see them as two sides of the same coin that is Existence itself.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 04:48 AM
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Whats with all the hate? I keep seeing "You know nothing about (this or that)". I am pretty sure that every one here as at least rudementary knowledge of biological science and evolution, so dont go insulting people's intelligence as the foundation of your arguments.

On another note. I love this thread. Genetics has always facinated me. I agree that DNA operates at a level of sophistication that I dont think can be surpased. If it wasent for my other passions of sociology, astronomy and philosophy I would dive into genetics however I have done alot of independant research on my own. While it isnt a masters degree, I think I have a good conceptual grasp of the details. Much has already been discussed here so I want to add in something. Food for thought.

Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick, who first discovered the double helix in the 50's, and first started to decode it (well before the human genome project) found that there were several very important gene sequences that have absolutely no genetic predecessor in any animal on the planet. Crick started to believe that humans were genetically engineered or altered. That certain sequences were literaly 'placed' there. This is coming from the father of modern genetics and a world renown scientist.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 07:25 AM
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I found a good article on some of the points you outlines and makes for some interesting reading. Full article and related topics will be linked below. Enjoy




The DNA code is a genetic 'language' that communicates information to the cell. The cell is very complicated, using many DNA instructions to control its every function. The amount of information in the DNA of even the single-celled bacterium, E. coli, is vast indeed. It is greater than the information contained in all the books in any of the world's largest libraries. The DNA molecule is exquisitely complex, and extremely precise: the 'letters' must be in a very exact sequence. If they are out of order, it is like a typing error in a message. The instructions that it gives the cell are garbled. This is what a mutation is.




The DNA code is quite simple in its basic structure (although enormously complex in its functioning). By now most people are familiar with the double helix structure of the DNA molecule. It is like a long ladder, twisted into a spiral. Sugar and phosphate molecules form the sides of the ladder. Four bases make up its 'rungs.' These are adenine, thymine, guanine, and cytosine. These bases act as the 'letters' of a genetic alphabet. They combine in various sequences to form words, sentences, and paragraphs. These base sequences are all the instructions needed to guide the functioning of the cell.




With the new data from molecular biology and information theory, we can now argue for an intelligent cause of the origin of life. It is based on the analogy between the DNA code and a written message. We cannot identify that source any further from the scientific data alone. We cannot supply a name for that intelligent cause. We cannot be sure from the empirical data on DNA whether the intelligence is within the cosmos but off the earth as asserted by Hoyle and Wickramasinghe.[24] It might be beyond the cosmos as historic theism maintains. All we can say is that, given the structure of a DNA molecule, it is certainly legitimate to conclude that an intelligent agent made it. Life came from a who rather than a what. We may be able to identify that agent in greater detail by other arguments. We may, for example, gain insight from historical, philosophical, or theological argument, or by considering the relevant lines of evidence from other areas of science. However, from scientific data on DNA alone we can argue only to an intelligent cause.



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Enjoy all and really spend some time reading up on this, this is something inside all of us yet we know or understand so little of it.

(All Quotes Copyright © 1995-2002 Leadership U.)




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posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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I haven't ment to argue with anyone apparently it seems that some members don't have the ability to debate without resorting to insulting other member's levels of intelligence or experience.

I quite like the idea that someone mentioned about Evolution being the tool of a creator.

Personally I find it a little hard to believe that we have simply "evolved", like I've mentioned the human body is an amazing creation.

If someone could explain for example how the human body has developed to include a liver (which is an amazing filtration unit and chemical processing factory) then I'd be very interested and grateful.

[edit on 15/8/10 by Death_Kron]



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 10:28 AM
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posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 03:15 PM
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Only 5 percent of human DNA is needed to fully clone a fully functioning human being, as that is all the DNA that essentially makes up all of us ,the other 95 percent of DNA is what is called JUNK DNA and this is what is believed to store the fully recorded ancestory from your very earliest ancestor,as it is now beleived that DNA is basically a recording device that records everything,it is only a matter of time before we are able to reconstruct this JUNK DNA and solve the full evolution of the human race,this will prove if we are indeed products of trans spermia or have been altered early on by an outside alien source or crossbred or indeed evolved natuarlly on our own.A few interesting facts however the chances of us ever evolving in a natural state are the same as a tornado ripping through a scrap yard and a fully working boeing 747 emerging from the other end,and the amount of cells and dna that makes up one human dody if broken down into data would take 15000 million years to download using the fastest available broadband connection.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 10:26 PM
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Even in the bible, we are described as having "come from the Earth."




From “The Gospel of Thomas”… Quote;



49. Jesus said,

“Blessed are the Solitary and Elect,
for you will find The Kingdom.

For you are from it,
and to it you will return.”

50. Jesus said,

“If they say to you,
“Where did you come from?”

say to them,

We came from The Light,
the place where The Light
came into being on Its own accord
and established Itself
and became manifest through their Image.”

If they say to you,

“Is it you?”

say,

“We are its children,
and we are the elect
of The Living Father.”


If they ask you,

“What is the sign of your Father in you?”

say to them,

“It is Movement and Repose.”


Regarding Life on Earth....

Also from "The Gospel of Thomas".... Quote;



56. Jesus said,

“Whoever has come to understand the World
has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse
is superior to the World.”


[edit on 15-8-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 02:59 AM
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So where did the squirrel come from



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 07:10 AM
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I heard DNA was discovered as a result of some '___' experience



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by Death_Kron

Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by Death_Kron
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And once again you have failed to answer my question with a direct answer, why is that?

If you seemingly know the answer's then please explain....???

The answer is: evolution. That should be enough to get you going for now.


Once again, displaying close minded thinking and only believing what you have been "taught" or "learnt". Please explain the process how evolution developed the brain barrier or hydrochloric acid in the stomach and then maybe I'll go some way to believe in what you're saying.


First off, are we to assume that by "brain barrier, you mean the "blood brain barrier" or BBB.
And which barrier? Do you mean the transmembrane proteins like ocludin or claudins anchored to the endothelial cells at the blood/CSF juncture? Or do you mean the glia limitans with the astrocytic feet found with some endothelials? And do you require that the explanation include an exposition of why some parts of the human brain are not behind the bbb, like the pineal gland and nerve?
As for the gastric acid, hydrocloric acid did not evolve. The parietal cells and canaliculi that form the secretory network did. Gastric acid is almost ubiquitous in all verterbrates and is found in fish, birds, reptiles, mammals and amphibians. Comparative anatomy and physiology show that it evolved about 350 million years ago. See Koelz, Scandanavian Journal of Gastroenterology, Vol 27, 1992, which is available as a PDF online for a subscription fee.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by sinewave
I heard DNA was discovered as a result of some '___' experience



I can't vouch for the recreational drug proclivities of the principals but a good concise history of the discovery is at www.bio.miami.edu...



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by Calender
Here is an awesome fact:


One gram of DNA, which when dry would occupy a volume of approximately one cubic centimeter, can store as much information as approximatively one trillion CDs.
-Scientific American Computing with DNA August 1998 p. 61

In fact DNA information is so dense that a single teaspoonful could carry the instructions for building 350 times the number of people alive today.


Absolutely fascinating!



The question is this:
Do you believe that highly complex, highly reliable machinery can come about by chance? Without solid proof, would not such a belief amount to blind faith?



The answer to that question, as amazing as science can be, will always reside within the individual. That being said, life is a miracle and no one can deny that. From our biological machine to our sentience...

Imagine all the circumstances that had to occur in our solar system for life to even be sustainable on earth. Or how delicate a balance the universe needs to be in order for it to exist as as we know it.

I think about these things all the time.

Thank you for the post. S+F

[edit on 16-8-2010 by kisharninmah]



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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P.S. If you could answer the question how the blood barrier was developed in human beings through evolution or how ever you believe human beings came into existence in this world then I'd be grateful?


I haven't read through all the replies so this may duplicate or re-address some part of a discussion that is over. But I wanted to add...

Evolution is real, we have evidence of it. It doesn't happen instantaneously but gradually over time. No matter how miraculous life is, it does not prove or disprove intelligent design. Faith is a matter of individual interpretation and science (as we know it) will never be able to change that. If you look into the current studies of physics, chemistry, biology...it will astound you. The physical universe is an amazing place and that, if anything, should humble our imagined place in it.

So to your questions...

I think it would be prudent for you to read and study the subject. It will allow for a more informed opinion on the topic. Second, I ask you...how did the universe come into existence? Prevalent theory: The Big Bang...yes, I know. But what came before that? How can anyone answer that question? This is why science exists, because we want to know why.

Myself, being an optimist, believes that someday (countless years from now and if we survive our infancy) will know these answers as we evolve into our future selves.



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