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Obama backs mosque near ground zero

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posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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This mosque isn't just a place of worship, it is a symbol of infiltration. If the developers of this "Place of Worship" wanted to be sensitive to the victims of 9/11, why would they want to build a mosque in our cemetary? I agree with most people when we say, we don't say no to a mosque, we just say no to the location. If you look you will see that places of worship are denied their desired location all the time. So it's obviously not an issue of religious freedom, but one of respect.




posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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First Obama said he would stay out of the process! Now he gives the glowing thumbs up.


Now, for the good part... Will any local NY contractors want to take on this project?? I smell retribution for those who work on this project. Possibly some inspection issues... you get the idea... New Yorkers are a tough and proud bunch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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Let him, I still don't think the people of NY appreciate it much though. After trying to bring the Gitmo detainees to trial in NY and also cruising a jetliner through NY to get some pictures it is quite apparent that he doesn't relate to the victims of 9/11. The reality is we must get over as it is his right as an American to freely express his opinion and if he thinks that aligning himself with the side of Islam as opposed to the scorn citizens of NY is good for the US, it is an understandable position as his opinions is meant to mirror the American people...although I highly doubt his opinion will stem off more terrorists or the recruiting of, nor do I think it will have an impact on the final outcome of whether it gets built or not. More often then not this administration has been on the opposing side of the American people's desire.
As usual they are just playing both sides to save face in the eyes of the world and potential voters for this fall.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by reverandrandy
This mosque isn't just a place of worship, it is a symbol of infiltration. If the developers of this "Place of Worship" wanted to be sensitive to the victims of 9/11, why would they want to build a mosque in our cemetary? I agree with most people when we say, we don't say no to a mosque, we just say no to the location. If you look you will see that places of worship are denied their desired location all the time. So it's obviously not an issue of religious freedom, but one of respect.


This mosque was not denied its location. It was voted on by the city council like any other new building plans. The council voted to have the mosque built. So while it's true that places of worship are often denied, this is not one of those examples.

You just said you aren't saying no to the mosque, only to its location. But you also said the mosque is a symbol of "infiltration." Infiltration by whom, exactly? I know you don't mean terrorists, because if you did, then you WOULD be saying no to the mosque and not just its location. So who exactly do you think is "infiltrating," and why exactly is their presence near Ground Zero a bad thing?

And you say this is an issue of respect. Respect to whom? You can't possibly mean the 9/11 victims. Some of those victims were Muslim, and I have to assume that you believe ALL the 9/11 victims should be respected. So, how exactly is the building of a mosque disrespectful to those Muslim victims? For that matter how is it disrespectful to the NON-Muslim victims?



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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While I'd like to agree with you on that one, I think the dems have spread enough money around to the unions, they'll do whatever they are told. Selling out seems to be a standard anymore, and their leaders can, and are bought and sold just like any other person in office. Wouldn't surprise me if they having bidding wars over this.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Hemisphere
 

Many millions of Muslims have been here for generations upon generations and have been born here and were fairly well "integrated" before the events of 9/11 and some people's actions thereafter created an atmosphere of distrust and rising bigotry that has singled them out. I simply found it a rather broad statement. No biggie. Thanks for elaborating.


Well, many millions might be a bit exaggerated but don't we all exaggerate? I do at times. CAIR reports the total number of Muslims in the US at 7 million in 2010. The Pew Research Center reported 2.5 million total in 2009. Quite a difference there but I wouldn't consider either 2.5 or 7 as many. That's just me. There's no telling how many Muslims have been here for generations. Some have converted and so there were no "generations". So perhaps 3 or 4 million with generations behind them. And they're not all in Manhattan nor near this proposed mosque but your point is valid and understood. If it were one person that would be enough. And even one person could feel ill at ease in his homeland the point I hit on.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by jibeho
First Obama said he would stay out of the process! Now he gives the glowing thumbs up.




and now, today,




“I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there,” Obama

Read more: www.politico.com...



Democrats are livid.

No vote for YOU!, lol

[edit on 043131p://bSaturday2010 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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So true Stormdancer. He doesn't know whether to **** or get of the throne. Or perhaps better said his "people" don't know. He doesn't make his own moves. I can see the hand when he opens his mouth. He has given the country transparency, I'll give him that. He's supremely transparent. We can clearly see his principals and his decisions are for and of the moment. Nothing lasting, nothing of substance. If he was vocal and behind this from the very outset at least I could say he had a spine. He waited until other puppets took the brunt of the fallout from this. He comes in to mop up like in the Gulf.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 04:42 PM
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Obama should never of gotten involved.

A president needs to remain unbiased if he is to work for the people.

After reading his extremely poor and aweful book "Dreams of my father" it seems he is anything but unbiased. He is a supporter of Islam and a hater of the Whites. Its in his book!

That hate hadn't gone away"...."white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives. - Dreams of my father - Barack Obama

This to me says everything.

I found solice in nursing a pervasive sense of grievancee and animosity against my mother's race" Barack Hussein Obama Dreams of my father - Barak Obama (referring to the fact his mum was white!

This man is by no means a person who should be in power let alone comment on a Mosque



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 04:47 PM
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Are you guys serious? Obama's comments on this are exactly what we ALL should be saying.

Specifically:

1) New Yorkers have every right to build a mosque near Ground Zero, just as their council elected to do. The President should absolutely stand up in support of this right.

2) Building the mosque here was probably a bad idea because it will cause controversy. Once again, the President has reminded us that he is not commenting on the wisdom of the decision, only on the RIGHT to make that decision.

Is this really so hard to grasp? It doesn't matter if you think the mosque is a bad idea. I think it's a bad idea, too... that's not the point! The point is that they have every right to build it there, and if you want to remove that right then you have completely lost sight of the values we should be upholding in this country.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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It's really pathetic, I really am starting to believe they used Obama's massive ego, that ego of wanting to be the first black president because they knew they could get a democrat in office, even through he wasn't the least bit qualified,

Maybe Obama was the set up for the next election,

Like Joe said,




Biden called Obama first "clean" African-American candidate ... who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,"


You can't make this stuff up, and Joe becomes VPresident ?



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by fapython
I wonder if America bombed mecca, would they allow the building of churches?.


Depends if Saudi Arabia shares the same constitution of United States. Do they? I guess SG already answered that for you properly. World...there is one outside America which have different countries, different laws and even different constitutions learn about it.

It's not an insult or a bridge, its a place where they exercise their religious freedom- you know, that thing the patriots pride themselves on. Islam didn't take down the 2 towers, so its an arbitrary debate that makes the right look stupid, which makes a change.

It's not a mosque, and it's not at ground zero.

This entire thread is a testament to how we're ruled by the media through gullibility and fear.

As to the OP:-

Your logic fails. Muslim=/=Automatic Terrorist.

There are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. There are roughly the same amount of Christians.

Christians are just as capable of being terrorists as Muslims. Hell, Christians have done just as much evil as any other religion.

The problem here is that conservatives are so butthurt and ignorant about the outside world they have these prejudices they carry like badges of honor.

Let them build their mosque. It's a right afforded to them by the First Amendment. Otherwise we only pay lip service to the Bill of Rights and other legal documents.

Oh and don't resist the butthurt flowing through you, will make it easier


[edit on 14-8-2010 by Crimson_King]



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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Do you ever get tired of that same old song and dance?
Good grief.
Let's see here, I am trying to remember if I ever saw you post anything supportive of Christians under anti Christian threads,

I suppose all their points of view are valid and not bigoted?


Let's see here, I am trying to remember if I ever saw you post anything supportive of Muslim under anti-Muslim threads...ooo guess what nope. So you really cannot claim the higher authority/ morale here.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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I was wrong.

I voted for and have supported Obama. It is obvious with this issue and many others that he is a failure. He did not in any meaningful way do one single thing he promissed. I will be glad to see im voted out.

Hillary would have been an excellent President. MCcain once was a man but he is now bought and paid for and maybe even lost in the world he works in.

I can only hope Palin does not wint. Since no democrat will run against Obama I would love to see Dan Quayle become President as I think he would be a very good one. I doubt he will attempt it though.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Xeven
I was wrong.

I voted for and have supported Obama. It is obvious with this issue and many others that he is a failure. He did not in any meaningful way do one single thing he promissed. I will be glad to see im voted out.


While I disagree with you, it's perfectly fair to decide that you don't like how a President has acted in office. There are many people who seem to feel the same way you do, so I --


Hillary would have been an excellent President.


Bwuhh! Uughbwl! Uhhhheeeerrrk!
*choke!* *gag!*


I can only hope Palin does not win.


At least there's something we can both drink to. Cheers.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


Why stop there, let's build a Beni-Hana restaurant in Pearl Harbor too.

This is the ultimate insult to injury, the same people that were dancing and celebrating on 9-11 will most likely be attending that mosque.


It seems there is such a restaurant nearabouts Pearl Harbour,

www.wego.com...

So you're too late!



[edit on 14-8-2010 by smurfy]



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Xeven
I was wrong.

I voted for and have supported Obama. It is obvious with this issue and many others that he is a failure.


Could you explain how the president exactly failed on this issue? By upholding the freedom and rights of all americans of all backrounds his a failure? Aside from the other policies and actions he has made that I will in some cases agree with you on, your view on his decision as faliure on demonstrates your unwillingness to acknowledge true freedom in this country.


He did not in any meaningful way do one single thing he promissed.


Like what? The healthcare plan? The healthcare plan we ended up with was corporate infested but as much as we can blame the president for not having pushed the public option enough, we must remember that a portion of the Democrats voted against it. The issue is not just the president himself when it comes the healthcare bill, the issue stems to both parties.


Hillary would have been an excellent President.


How so? Her policies were 99% in line with Obama's and considering there are Democrats just as much in the tank for big business as there are Republicans, I fail to see what exactly would have changed?


MCcain once was a man but he is now bought and paid for


I agree. He gave his soul up in the last elections... he even gave part of his soul up during the 2000 elections.


I can only hope Palin does not wint. Since no democrat will run against Obama I would love to see Dan Quayle


So you think Dan Quayle is going to replace Hillary Clinton for you? If thats the case then your support for Hillary or prior support for Obama certainly does not appear to be on the issues or policies.

[edit on 14-8-2010 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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Great post! No I can not stop those that want to build the mosque, though I sure as heck can find the list of potential builders/ construction companies. I can make sure their names are very public. I can call for boycotts of these companies. I can make sure they drown in negative letters from the American people, and do everything I can to make sure getting business in this country is very difficult for them. That is the American thing to do. Cut off the money!!

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posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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You mean the money that would go to Americans? The money that would be used to employ people in this country at a time like this? What will that solve?

They can build a community center, employ lots of people to build it and work in it, and have you be annoyed.

Or they can not build it and leave these people looking for work and have you feel better.

That sounds so uniquely American.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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Didn't hear you complaining about all those out of work when they shut down the stripclub mentioned earlier



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