All you repugnantans and Tea Baggers need to quit grasping at every thing you can to slander Obama, it gets old.

Obama took an oath when he assumed the presidency, that oath was to defend and uphold the constitution, in the constitution it clearly says and has said since it's inception that; "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Him supporting the building of this cultural center has nothing to do with him being a closet Muslim but has everything to do with the oath he took.

Because of the controversy they knew it would cause, they should have built the mosque somewhere else. But they aren't building it somewhere else. And that is their right, like it or not. Freedom has no "only when it suits me" clause. The city council voted to put the mosque there. If New Yorkers want to move it they'll have to convince the city council. The fact that some (not all) conservatives want government officials to step into our lives and tell us what we are and are not "allowed" to build seems blatantly ironic, given the usual conservative stance of "less government."

Public opinion is so disgustingly predictable. This happens every time there's a war. Whoever the war is against becomes symbolized, stereotyped, and applied to all people across the world who have any similarity at all to the wartime enemies. Before 9/11 Muslims would have had NO problem getting a mosque built in New York. Now, all of a sudden, they're bad and evil, because people cannot stretch their petty minds enough to realize that there is no connection between them and the 9/11 attacks.

"Al Qaida => Quran => All Muslims": Most ignorant and over-simplified connection you could possible make.

Doesn't surprise me a bit. He's defending the values, laws, and principles of this country, not any particular project or religion. As it should be.

It's ironic that those who don't have the strength to stand by the values, principles, and laws of this country or maybe don't have faith in them seem to be the same people most willing to allow them to be destroyed. If it was the plan to destroy America from within or prove its hypocrisy, it might be working.

This post hoc argument of Sharia law creeping in is no different than the danger of Christian or Jewish law creeping in. Spend more time worrying about that truck that might run you over tomorrow. That's a more realistic fear.


[edit on 8/14/2010 by ~Lucidity]

Originally posted by Hemisphere

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This might help these folks feel more at home in NY and the USA?

This is their home. They're Americans.

Brilliant plan by the Muslims all the way around.......first they flip us all off, they get approval from Commrade Obama, and they get to laugh at us. All the while hoping someone does something so they can bring in CAIR, the ACLU and other terrorist extortionist organizations and sue sue sue. This isn't about the first amendment, it's about what's right and decent.....of course I'd expect no less from Obama, the muslins or the apologists enablers on here. It has no business there, and before we get into private property rights etc, the government already does choose what get built where and if something can be built or not, so thats just grasping at straws.

I agree that that they have the right to build their mosque, under the 1st ammendment, only that it is poor taste for them to build it there, especially when land has been offered elsewhere to build it, and the vast majority of local people dissagree with it being built. I believe that by building it near GZ the Imam is trying to send a message to Americans.

The only real questions are:

1. Who will build it? The vast majority of the steel workers, electricians, plumbers, and laborers unions, will probabilly refuse to work on it (on moral grounds) and their BA's know this, so union labor is more than likely out. And I doubt you can build something that size in Manhattan without the unions. IMO.

2. How long will it stand? As has been posted here by many, "there are a lot of crazies here in America" and if some psycho can blow up a government building in Oklahoma, really, how long do you think it will take before some "crazy" parks a truck filled with BOOM out in front of this place? My guess: Not Long!! The very idea of this mosque being built there is rubbing WAY to many people the wrong way to think it will stand for long.

Which brings me to my 3rd point.

3. If the place does get built and they do have a fire or problem there, do you honestly think that there are very many firefighters or police officers in NY that will be willing to risk their lives to defend the building. They would probably help the people inside (common decency, after all it is not the people who did 9/11, but a lot of civil servants in NY still have trouble seeing the diffrence between Islam and Radical Islam) but still take offence at the building and what they feel it represents (mainly the desecration of the memory of their fallen friends, and the people who needlessly died that day) and might not give 100% to stop it from burning down.

These are my opinions based on the information that I get and the people that I talk to. All you have to do is scroll through some of the posts on this site, or watch some of the MSM or Fox coverage of the days leading up to the decission to allow building of the mosque, to see that I am unfortunately, probably right.

Personally I am all for freedom of religon, (after all it is the cornerstone of the founding of this country) but a little common sence and compassion on the part of the Islamic Religious Organization in NY (such as there is) and the Imam towards the citizens of NY and the memory of the fallen would go a long way towards defusing some of the tension between the people of America and the people of Islam.

IMHO

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[edit on 8/14/2010 by Ghost of Chewie]

Originally posted by ~Lucidity

Originally posted by Hemisphere

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This might help these folks feel more at home in NY and the USA?

This is their home. They're Americans.

Who said they're not? I said "feel more at home". Some have immigrated here I'm sure. Others might not feel as welcome and as integrated as other natural born Americans. I "feel their pain", I truly do. I clearly remember the prejudicial horror stories passed down from my own immigrant ancestors coming to this country and also the generations of further prejudice they endured once settled. I am often reminded of my own wife's experiences as a first generation American growing up in racially explosive Miami in the 1960's.

We want these people to feel fully integrated. I want for them to enjoy the fruits of our great nation, Nathans' Famous included, if it be their hearts' desire. I think that's something we can all support. After all, 60 or more Muslims aside from the terrorists died on 9/11. That's truly sad and I feel for all the families that suffered and still suffer. I do believe that their wounds are not sufficiently healed and consideration for their continued suffering should remain one of our communal, local and national priorities.

God bless America! Allah bless America too! Pick your God any old God and pray for he/she/or it to bless America!

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