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Gravitational Magnetics

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posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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I am looking for anyone with more information on the ties between gravity and magnetism. I have some information linking the two.

I think* that The gravitaion force of the earth and the magnetic force are very closely connected. I am wondering if anyone has any reseach on the subject??? thanks!!


*edited to add some source to help out*www.newscientist.com...

Will add more sources

*edit* #2 knol.google.com...#
(P.S> I know these aren't the best sources i will find more credible ones)

*edit* #3 video.google.com...=-3874568473252816241

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posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Here's something that actually works (for a change).

Gravity Impulse Generator (Yes this is real)

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posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 08:20 PM
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Hey man thanks that helps, well i hope i can find some more stuff like this, i love gravity... Its weird how we cant nail it down.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 08:36 PM
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This should be the most important topic in science. There is a glaring hole
in our knowledge of these forces. I hope I live to see a gravity drive
vehicle that isn't ET.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 08:58 PM
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the following is a theory not science or fact marley conjecture and for debate

ever wounder where magnets get the energy to attract or repell objects?
is it a form of radiation?
strange idea i have is that some materials can harness a form of symathetic vibration or induced energy from the very essence of the universe the fabric that makes up empty space

a magnet is still a magnet in a vacum in deep space far away from any gravity sources outside its own

i beleive that suns and black holes produce a from of energy that we have not measured yet and this energy pervades the universe in underlying way that enables magnets to revert this unknown energy from the type we cant measure to a form we can

magnetic flux

the solar system is the best model for an engine that uses this same force
sun generating the unknown energy
planet spining in orbit inside the dense feild created locally inducing voltage and powering the molten core of the earth
which in turn creates a secondary electromagnetic feild
this seconary feild then creates a conection back to the sun to discharge a surface charge back to the sun this unknown and know feild interaction creates what we perceive as gravity

any matter in these two feilds induce a voltage to some degree and are attracted and repelled at different rates

the reason two objects fall at the same rate is because they are subject to the same intensity of these feilds repell/attract no matter there size or weight the repell attract action balences to the feild strenght not mass or size

in a strange way everything is a magnet in the way that all things interact with this feild just wish i could prove that it exists

XPLodER



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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And here is the second generation device which builds upon the the crude Gravity Impulse Generator (Above - first page of this thread) and referenced in [0042] of the patent (linked below).

Phonon Maser (Yes this is real too)



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by KingAtlas
 


the following is a theory not science or fact marley conjecture and for debate

ever wounder where magnets get the energy to attract or repell objects?


Yes. Permanent magnets (ferro magnets) repel or attract objects because they have a macroscopic alignment of electron spins. Electron spins cause an intrinsic magnetic moment (this is simply a property of elementary particles which has no deeper explanation). Spins contrary to magnetic fields feel a repulsion, ones parallel to magnetic fields feel an attraciion.


is it a form of radiation?

It is a property of magnetic fields, but it is essentially magnetostatic and not considered a radaiative electromagnetic field (one which transports energy & momentum from here to there).



strange idea i have is that some materials can harness a form of symathetic vibration or induced energy from the very essence of the universe the fabric that makes up empty space


I have idea that some materials fart like purple caterpillars when you sing to them, but then I realize that's totally stupid.



a magnet is still a magnet in a vacum in deep space far away from any gravity sources outside its own


In space, a woman is always a woman. (James Tiberius Kirk).
Same for a magnet.



i beleive that suns and black holes produce a from of energy that we have not measured yet and this energy pervades the universe in underlying way that enables magnets to revert this unknown energy from the type we cant measure to a form we can

magnetic flux

the solar system is the best model for an engine that uses this same force
sun generating the unknown energy
planet spining in orbit inside the dense feild created locally inducing voltage and powering the molten core of the earth
which in turn creates a secondary electromagnetic feild
this seconary feild then creates a conection back to the sun to discharge a surface charge back to the sun this unknown and know feild interaction creates what we perceive as gravity


Gravity is not electromagnetism. If it were, it would effect protons and electrons with equal size, and opposite sign. It doesn't.



any matter in these two feilds induce a voltage to some degree and are attracted and repelled at different rates

the reason two objects fall at the same rate is because they are subject to the same intensity of these feilds repell/attract no matter there size or weight the repell attract action balences to the feild strenght not mass or size

in a strange way everything is a magnet in the way that all things interact with this feild just wish i could prove that it exists

XPLodER


We already know how the solar system works.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 11:22 PM
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In space, a woman is always a woman. (James Tiberius Kirk).

lol i love that quote haha

is it the spin electrons passing from atom to atom in aligned materials that provide the attraction?
because if so wouldnt that be electrical charge thats creating the effect
what makes the first spin atom to shed its electron and where does the electron that replaces it come from?

there is a corrilation between magnets and gravity and energy generation
when a conductor is moved in a magnetic feild it generates a sympathetic charge
when two magnets are moved passed each other with a conductor inbetween them voltage is induced if these high spin atoms are directly passing off electrons then where does the conductor get the induced voltage are you converting motion into electrical energy

the reason for the solar system analogy is to get people thinking we have as perfect model for an electro magnetic engine that the earth is going to travel around the sun for millions of years with no fuel

i consider a magnet to radiate flux energy from pole to pole like an electromagnet but without power imput

the fact that magnets degrade slowly over time makes me wounder a bit though

thanks for the star trek gag still smiling



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 11:26 PM
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More Mass=More Gravity
Gravity affects organics, magnets..not so much



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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why do objects of different mass fall at the same speed?
yes the more mass an object has the more gravity it creates

is it possable though that the sympathetic energy created due to gravitational attraction can increase that gravity as the objects get closer to each other

ie the two create more gravity when there mass is interacting with the mass from the other object?

throwing it out there



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 12:12 AM
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I am at work now, so I have to look deeper in this later.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 01:01 AM
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I personnally am not saying gravity is the same as electromagnetism.
It has been proven that two opposing magnets forced together will reduce the mass gravitation effect. this is a fact.

Saying that more mass equals more gravity is over simplifying the facts.
I am trying to bring this more towards the magnetic field of the earth and its connection with the gravtational effect felt on the earth.

But saying mass = gravity is flawed. I think you should have a talk with mr Hutchison hahaha.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 01:59 AM
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The gravitational wave model looks eerily similar to a model I saw associated with Timewave zero once upon a time. Coincidence?



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 03:52 AM
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Good morning to all. I enjoy the physics threads and thought I would give my 2 cents on the gravity subject.

First cent: The issue with gravity being similar to magnetism is that different object show different strengths in their attraction or repulsion. I.E. a typical magnet held close to iron attracts/repels quite strongly. A typical magnet held close to aluminum has very little effect. This being the case if gravity were to act as a form of magnetism then objects would not fall at the same rate when dropped in a vacuum. This test can also be accomplished by rolling spheres of different masses down an incline and measuring the amount of time it takes each ball to reach the end of the incline. Suppose you substituted the mass variable for a magnetic characteristic then you would be able to show that they still "fall" at the same rate. However if the incline were to be magnetized then there would be a difference in the rate dependent upon the attraction or repulsion of the objects being rolled down the incline.

Second cent: Think of the universe as a giant ocean and the bodies (planets, stars, etc.) as buoys floating on the surface. Well that buoy will cause a depression in the water with depth of the depression dependent upon the mass of the buoy. Now any object that gets close to the buoy will begin to be attracted to the buoy by traveling down the incline of the depression. This will occur until such time as the object strikes another object of higher mass that will not allow it to pass i.e. the edge of te buoy or on earth then the ground. Now due to this buoy or the ground not allowing us to ever reach the bottom of the depression then we will always have the effect of this incline acting upon us.

One thing that you may begin to wonder then is as I fall down the side of this depression then I will continually move faster and faster. This is absolutely correct but when you hit the object side of the buoy or the ground you stop. If however you are in the air you continue to get faster and faster depending upon how long you were in the air and the acceleration placed against your body. I.e. you will fall at a speed of gravity times the amount of time you spent in the air.

Thank you for reading
cheers



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 04:31 AM
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The real point is that magnetism and gravity are closely related, but not the same.

Current understanding of gravity is confusing because no one can figure out what it is exactly, but some postings here are hepling us narrow down the theories, thank you.

I wonder if anyone here could explain the hutchison effect for a nice source, i could try but i am not too eloquent, as everyone can see I am having a hard time explaining the idea I have in my head haha



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 04:44 AM
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The Hutchinson effect. Well from what I know no one actually is able to state what causes this "mysterious" effect. Most of his research has been tested by various labs and none have been able to recreate his work. Now is this a cover up because of the ground breaking nature of his work or is it just simply that its all hogwash no one really knows.

His website Hutchinson effect

Good ole Wikipedia John Hutchinson

If free energy were real money would vanish.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 04:52 AM
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i am saying that gravity is in a common system as a form of electro magnitism
that gravity is the expresion of moving mass through a feild while in direct electrical connection

like the energy the sun spews out has an oposite that renturns the energy by concentration of an electrical or electro mechanical energy in the motion of its earth and core this electrical build up is constantly being exchanged with the primary feild feeding the sun electro-potential energy (i think i invented a word?) and is the opposite to the original output from the sun

this energy concentrated with the right elements vibrate atoms in the sun that then turn to plasma

the earth is the best example of an interconnected system it has magnetic ore (magnet) it has a molten core (electro-magnet)
and it has an atmosphere of gas to transmit the different feilds through

these systems are interconected in nature and the source for all this energy is the sun



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 05:07 AM
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i will try to explain an effect tesla played around with
an electrical winding was wound in the shape of a double tracked spriral and a high energy discharge current was pulsed on and off at a very high frequency to produce a large high frequency feild

then transmite a radio frequency in the direction of the feild, the frequency at the point of interaction is tuned into the interaction and strange effects are observed

as far as i know im not a specialist on ufo tech
so basic explaination provided



kinda works like this but not in water

XPLOdER



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posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 05:09 AM
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I believe that I understand your idea but may be way off base. I just have a couple of questions.

Would this molten core and gases for the force to travel through be required for your theory of gravity to function?

Wouldn't this affect some things more than other things like iron be more affected than water due to the difference in magnetism of the two objects?



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by who_sright?
reply to post by XPLodER
 


I believe that I understand your idea but may be way off base. I just have a couple of questions.

Would this molten core and gases for the force to travel through be required for your theory of gravity to function?

no any mass in the system will create a denser feild in the feild medium and express the energy transfered as gravity

Wouldn't this affect some things more than other things like iron be more affected than water due to the difference in magnetism of the two objects?


it comes down to the inflence of the particular feild your in and the feild of the gravity your experiencing all mass is being affected evenly under the influence of the same primary feild but some elements express this energy in two forms gravity attraction from a charged state and magnetic flux

in this way gravity still aplies to magnets but the are still equal in gravity/mass



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