reply to post by Spirit Warrior 11:11
Some great responses/input there...much of which I agree with.
How we see it is that while the physical and spiritual realms may
be somewhat separate
they are by no means segregated
No more so that each layer of an onion is in any way a separate part of the whole onion.
Layers upon layers.
For whatever reason there are those for whom the layers are as separate or as combined as they are elected to be.
People such as this - the Matakite and the Tohunga in our culture - have always existed.
The change is perception...the *honing* in focus on a specific layer of the onion. Bit like looking at something in the distant and then staring and
consciously focussing on it more.
Another way of describing the experience is if for instance you had a stack of Overhead Transparencies...you know those clear plastic pages from
school that you put on a light projector to project onto walls/screens etc.
Each sheet with a different image, a different bit of information.
For some people it’s like that...the superimposing of images and knowledges that can be consciously shifted in and out of focus for clarity.
They might be looking at someone and at the same time be *adjusting* their *vision/perception* to also focus on the addition information on that
persons stack of Overheads. Information/images regarding that person’s ancestors, past, present, future, other influences and attachments etc.
Same deal for viewing places...the shifting in and out of focus on those layers to gather perspective on events there.
What benefit does that have?
Many. It has benefits for assisting in healing the person, for the cleansing of areas etc.
The movement is principally a movement - a shifting - of perception. Of consciousness...dare I say of your spiritual essence. Like adjusting the dial
on a radio to pick up a different station.
More on Side-effects
Headaches have been mentioned a few times.
That can be a common side-effect.
As has also been mentioned, for us as a culture (though granted not ALL within our culture necessarily agree with this) many believe the 'seat of the
*soul*', the location - if there is any real physical
location...is the forehead. Or the Rae
as we term it.
Yes that could well be comparable to other cultures understandings of 'the third eye', of that temporal chakra etc.
The Rae is of huge importance.
To emphasis its importance and relevance to our spiritual selves: I mentioned in a previous reply of Tohunga Makutu
. Those who engaged in the
darker stuff...curses and the like.
Now when it comes to Makutu/curses there is a belief that through targeting specific areas of someone you can create specific afflictions. Depending
on what the intention is, whether you wish to physically cripple them, or remove the further procreation of their future generations etc - certain
areas of the *target* can be focussed on.
Interestingly enough many of those specific areas are also comparable to the various energy-points or chakras other cultures speak of.
However - if the intention is not to physically harm the person as such, isn't to simply physically damage that *target* or create physical
ramifications and ripples for that *target*...but rather if the intention is to literally eradicate that person...to completely and utterly destroy
them...then it is the Rae that is targeted.
Even within those 'darker arts' of Makutu there is some sense of the forbidden.
There are levels and degrees of what may in any way be acceptable or excusable or restorable/forgivable.
Focussing the *curse* on a physical
outcome is one thing - going at the very spiritual
essence of someone is completely different.
That’s a WHOLE different level of hurt and 'evil'...doing something like that is an action we see as there being basically no coming back from, no
way of reconciliation. It’s the unspeakable, the unthinkable, and a HUGE no no even within those darker focussed practitioners.
If you were to view it like muscle-strain from physical exercise, that in some way is the reason - but not the only reason. It could also be an
essence of growth of ones spiritual awareness...of simple growing pains even...of becoming increasingly accustomed to it etc.
Other Bodily Pains
As mentioned in a previous reply we believe engagements within those realms requires energy.
Energy can be gained in many different ways, can be transferred, borrowed, bounced off, manipulated etc…again it often comes down to ones own
individual processes, their own *abilities* to channel or call upon various ‘energy sources’, what they are doing with it and many other
For some they may ‘tap in’ to their own internal energy sources/points…again the concept of Chakras could come into it.
, or Heart, for us is a strong energy point. Some basically ‘tap in’ on that source in order to ‘amp up’ their Rae. The side
effects of that can be a tiring of the heart/chest area…maybe even an altering of the heart rhythm etc.
Maybe the stomach, or Puku/Pito
area…again the side-effects of that could be altering of ones digestive system for a while.
One person I know seems to occasionally ‘amp up’ by accessing the energies within their groin area – or the Svadhi I think it’s referred to in
terms of Chakras.
The side-effects he experiences from that can be either a hyper-sensitivity or lack thereof within that region, can be having a bit of trouble with
urination or so forth for a bit.
Methods for Reduction of Energy-draining Effects
Again it’s hugely dependent on what you do, how you do it, who is doing it etc.
This is another reason why this type of *work* is done collectively rather than individually – so that those who are present to support/assist can
also on some levels gift
over some of their own energies
or channel other energies to the person doing the work. Thus sharing the load
and increasing the safety.
It has also been mentioned by another person the concept that *other entities* in those realms can basically do the ‘leg-work’ on your behalf.
One technique to reduce ones depletion is to have your allies over in those realms…to basically call upon them and request they perform the task at
hand…and for you to merely be the intermediary. So it’s not so much you out there channelling whatever in order to achieve the aim…but rather
you pass it over to your allies for them to deal with.
There are other reasons as to why techniques like that can be important:
Doing such things there is a danger that the person can succumb to the belief that they are basically the be-all-and-end-all when it comes to
spiritual engagements. Humbleness is a key component of our cultural beliefs around these things.
Its not so much YOU that does them…you’re just the servant of ‘something greater’ than yourself. The channel, the conduit, nothing more.
So handing things over, seeking assistance from allies, working collectively etc are all ways to lower the chances of you making it about you.
Now to take this a bit deeper here…
Lets revisit that concept of altering ones consciousness, ones spiritual perceptions in order to *breach/access* into those realms.
We also believe that not only are there physical and spiritual realms…but threes also areas of ‘neither’.
Neither? What does that mean? One way of describing it would be to see them as almost being places of ‘in between’…that aren’t solely
physical, nor are they solely spiritual…they exist as in some ways the between-spaces.
These areas – well, some of them anyway – can be seen as almost
neutral territory. They are the spaces between the realms that some
practitioners meet their allies, have discussions with them, make their requests etc with those who exist on the spiritual planes. It’s almost like
a common-ground to meet…and in some ways
, not always of course, these areas are seen as also being more ‘off the radar’ to other entities
on those realms.
So for some the utilisation of those in-between spaces is a safety mechanism, is focussed on keeping a low profile. I guess a bit like a computer
hacker might utilise a Proxy so they can’t so readily be tracked.
Here’s the other perception we have of those ‘in-between spaces’ – some of us (again, not all within our culture hold this view) see that some
of those spaces can function almost like ‘jump points’ to other areas.
Through accessing one space you may be able to springboard over to another space or another and thus be more effective in achieving the intended aim.
Again to use a computer-hacker analogy it would be like a hacker that bounces off other servers to get somewhere so as to again reduce the likelihood
of being tracked or to increase the effectiveness of the intent.
Some practitioners utilise those spaces for safety…and again a big part of that comes down to the person/practitioner themselves and their own