Ah yes....Article 1, Section 9, Clause 1 is what you bolded in the OP. I just had to look over the Constitution to see it for myself first...
Originally posted by Tyrannyispeace
Was this in only regards to the states prior to the date given, or does it mean after also.
No you weren't wrong: It does specifically say "prior to" that date. One of the primary Maxims of Law, both in writing & court precedence during
trials states: "That which is not specifically included must be expressly excluded."
In other words, it's the exact opposite
of those advertisements for Prego Spaghetti Sauce...The ads say, "It's in there," but as far as the Law goes, "If it ain't there already, you
can't put it in there."
In essence, the court judge must
apply the law with the original intent
of the lawmakers when they
legislated it...There's to be no implications or conclusions drawn around the written law that are not already specified
If the law, as written, is still ambiguous or too difficult to understand, then it must be struck down. This is why so many cases are simply dismissed
outright: The judge would rather dismiss the case instead of make an actual ruling that would nullify the law itself. In order to keep the
"fund-raising" attributes of the courtroom as high as possible, it's better to let one case go & make future use of that law against a defendant
that doesn't know any better!
Of course, another method of striking down a bad law is held by a Jury! Yes, a Jury is charged (but rarely, if ever, instructed
) about their
duty to judge both fact AND law
in a case. There's long-standing & numerous historical precedences for this & it stands
as a "Peoples' Check" against a corrupted judge.
Now to address your major estimation of your "proposal"...Yes, it could be legislated either as a Statutory Law enforcable within State Boundaries,
but it would carry more weight if the State Legislature could properly ratify it as an Amendment to the State Constitution. Of course, exact wording
may have to be altered a bit to also pay all due consideration to each individual State Constitution where this might be proposed. However, I think
this will work nicely as a general format that can be edited to account for that:
"Whereas State Jurisdiction differs from United States Jurisdiction as defined under the 14th Amendment and furthermore limited to State Lands
previously ceded to the United States according to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the United States Constitution, federal enforcement of
Immigration Laws is lawfully limited to specific United States Jurisdiction.
"Therefore, this State of _____ reserves the right to enforce State Immigration Laws upon all other Lands within State Boundaries, according to the
10th Amendment of the United States Constitution. This State of ______ hereby reserves the lawful right to deny residency to any unlawful immigrants
currently within our State Boundaries and to deny employment, public school facilities and non-emergency public medical facilities to any unlawful
immigrants who are not lawfully documented under the provisions of State and United States Immigration laws.
"The State Legislature shall hereby be empowered to create all laws and regulations necessary and within the Due Process to effect lawful and proper
enforcement of Immigration Laws, including but not limited to, individual case evaluations."
I really should clarify the reasoning, logic & precedence of law that led to this "template." Yes, it's quite a bit longer than your "one-liner,"
but still a heck of a lot shorter than most proposals for legislation.
First, the only "sanctuary" an illegal immigrant can take is fleet feet to the nearest US Jurisdiction, such as military bases, forts, buildings
that contain federal offices & such (as described in the Constitution), because if they make it, they'll be out of State Jurisdiction. I chose this
specific wording to address the lawful boundaries of jurisdiction involved in this whole mess...And also to reaffirm these jurisdictional boundaries
already within the Law. When dealing with any kind of LE officers or agents, jurisdiction makes all the difference in the world
. Of course, as
already said, each State has their own Constitution but they don't really differ too much
from each other, because they also cannot directly
conflict with the US Constitution. If you intend to use my "template" in your State, you'd be wise to read it & edit accordingly before you
introduce it to your State Legislature...Chances are pretty good that they'll edit it a lot more before they even consider
voting on it & that
even depends upon how well your State Government adheres to both Constitutions (& Oaths of Office) involved.
Yes, State jurisdiction is different from United States jurisdiction...Just as Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 specifies that the States can cede
to the US Government, this means that official jurisdiction is changed. Just as the States are forbidden from interceding into the Powers
delegated to the Feds, the US Government likewise have no lawful jurisdiction within State boundaries, unless
the State has ceded specified
lands to the United States.
The 10th Amendment also delegates a more widely varied range of Powers to the States than the whole of the Constitution grants to the US Government.
If you have trouble wrapping your head around the idea of "different jurisdictions," you can see a pretty comprehensive explanation at the Supreme
Law School website...Yes, it really is a Law School
. At the home page
, click on the Supreme Law Library,
then select The Federal Zone: Authentic 11th Edition from the list & read through Chapter 3 (this
will take you directly there). The whole book, titled "The Federal Zone" shows
how the laws are written & gives you an good idea how very limited
the Feds are in their authority, but Chapter 3 explains the specifics of
It must also be pointed out that We the People first created our State governments, under specific "charters" that later became the State
Constitutions...But the several States were empowered by We the People to create the "general" government
! Don't be fooled by government
propaganda that implies anything to the contrary of the actual law! You can also look up some videos at YouTube, under the search terms of "Judge
Napolatano" or "Andrew Napolatano" to see how a former Judge looks at teh Constitution. You can also run a search for Law Dictionaries that may
also help you to understand that "legal terms" have different definitions in comparison to the same words in common usage...This is very important,
as these legal definitions further enforce the Maxim of Law I mentioned in my reply to your first quote, up above.
Forgive me if it seems a bit verbose, but I'm not a lawyer & this is my first attempt at writing for a law...I'm more experienced with writing
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