US Judge: OK to extract confessions by threatening rape

War is hell. It really is. Literally. Hell is the impossibility of reason.

The reason why WAR is the LAST RESORT is because people are going to die. They are going to be ripped to pieces, torn apart into spectacularly horrific pieces that will haunt anyone involved for the rest of their lives, should they survive. Buildings are going to explode and crumble into worthless piles of bloodstained stone. Water will be boiled and then polluted. People will suffer. Innocents and *innocence* will suffer, go mad, and perish.

No one wants WAR because GOOD PEOPLE will be REQUIRED to do BAD THINGS.

During war, good people will try to save lives, both on their own side and that of the civilians caught in the brutal fray. Once the almost unrestrainable CHAOS ensues from the launching of WAR, innocents will get mangled.

If INFORMATION obtained from a prisoner could lead to the saving of lives, prevent the needless spilling of blood, then that INFORMATION is gold. The threatening of a prisoner to get this golden nugget of information pales in comparison to the lives that could be saved.

Again, in war, good people must do terrible things. The best solution is not to engage in war. Unfortunately, war might just make more money than the sex/porn industry. And the military industrial complex is not only alive and well, it is EVERYWHERE, and it is growing.

Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
I'd love to spend a little time with that judge and show him some "enhanced interrogation techniques" up close and personal. Just so long as he knows that anything he confesses to can be used against him in court.

Nicely said. In fact I would resurrect Hilter for a little help just to add something special for this judge. Well If the Judge just happens to be reading any of this all I can say and yes what Im saying is wrong but

....Do you have kids? if so Mr Judge lets hope they feel a little of what you are handing out. If this kid is a terrorist. Put him on trial and if found truely guilty for terrorist acts then the punishment will be fitting.

The Judges Judgement is only going to enhance the beheadings of captured American aid workers or Journalists.

Too all those who believe in religion you are fighting for nothing and your religions are WRONG. In fact they are a breeding ground for pedophilia, beastiality, rampant child abuse and homosexual torture porn and finally just plain stupid people. NO religion...no more Jihads and no more christian child rape.

reply to post by camaro68ss


Here you go. The Declaration of Independance states:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

All men are equal, and are endowned with certain unalienable rights by their Creator. This is not the CIA, nor Uncle Sam. This is who/whatever is responsible for creating us. Man does not grant these rights.

What rights do all men, who are created equal, have? It was outlined in the United States Bill Of Rights. The way I see it, his rights were violated based on what is unalienable.

Remember, our constitution does not grant rights. It limits government. Using the logic that the Founders put into the Constitution, this would mean that it isn't about these people having these rights. It is about our officers acting in a manner that exceeds the limits placed on them in the constitution. For example:

Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain - this states that our officers are not allowed to force or coerce a self incriminating statement. If the person doesn't want to talk, they don't have to.

it does not guarantee that they have the right to be silent. It says that if they choose to be silent, that choice cannot be forcefully over ruled.

and

Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment - threatening ass rape certainly constitutes "cruel and unusual" by all standards in the "free world". This does not grant you freedom from this, it limits the government from burdening you with it.

And it is all guaranteed in the next Amendment:

Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution - meaning that the constitution is a limit on government, not an enumeration of rights that people have. If it isn't limited by the constitution, then it is allowed.

But the whole point here is, there ARE laws. Those are US citizens, acting in an official capacity as US agents. The US Constitution applies limits on what the US Government can do (meaning, their duly appointed representatives, or military officers/CIA). What these people did clearly exceeds that limit.

The key here is understanding the constitution. You likely have seen it sh* on so often as to not truly understand what it is about. I hope that clarifies it for you a little.

reply to post by sassyncute


You seem to have an unhealthy fascination with Hitler. I have seen you mention his name quite a bit. And then your avatar...

....not accusing. Just pointing out that perhaps you should not drop his name so often. It marginalizes you. He is the Satan of the secular world.

reply to post by sassyncute


[sarcasm]
If you want to resurrect a monster, resurrect Stalin, he killed far more people... that would help us!
[/sarcasm]

After reading this thread it confirms my thoughts that many of you would be slaves to a tyrannical government. You would standby and and watch you children and wife be raped and killed rather then be men and fight to protect your families.

Can anyone vouch for the validity of the original news source, or offer other sources?

I'd like to see some kind of concrete material on this besides a cached page, and I'm not familiar with Rawstory.com or whatever it is.

I just want to make sure I'm sharpening my tongue for the right reasons.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


You have not seen me mention him much twice only. And as a non religious supporter of the Dark arts I can and will use who I wish to when making a point. As a person who comes from Texas a state the has good old sparky as a welcoming sign at the airport and the fact that Texas is the fattest state in ALL of America meaning that the people there have done such heinous things to their bodies so much so that when they wear a tie and and a belt on the same day they look like a set of sausages, I feel I can make my own decisions without your need to point out what I do and do not say. Thanks though!! Long live Lucifer!



[edit on 12-8-2010 by sassyncute]

Originally posted by gagol
reply to post by sassyncute

 

[sarcasm]
If you want to resurrect a monster, resurrect Stalin, he killed far more people... that would help us!
[/sarcasm]

Good point my friend....Stalin it is then!!

There are no words for how outrageous this is. What's really sad is that threats like this have been going on for decades in order to get information. It was easy to ignore when it was done in the shadows but now to make it legal?

What the &*%$ was this judge thinking? (or not as the case seems to be)

So now in the U.S., it is legal to threaten to rape someone in order to obtain possible/suspected information from "terrorists" (including children and young adults held with no legal representation). But it is still illegal to use cold hard evidence to convict someone of murder, rape, or child molestation if said evidence was obtained via 'illegal' wiretapping, or obtained while searching for proof other crimes (drug trafficking, money laundering, for example).

How does this make sense? How is this moral?

Sadly the answer is that this decision is not and does not.

reply to post by sassyncute


I honestly read this post 3 times, because I was laughing so hard I couldn't finish it. I like you.

OK, can we now get back on topic?

Thank you very much.

Originally posted by sassyncute
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

You have not seen me mention him much twice only. And as a non religious supporter of the Dark arts I can and will use who I wish to when making a point. As a person who comes from Texas a state the has good old sparky as a welcoming sign at the airport and the fact that Texas is the fattest city in ALL of America meaning that the people there have done such heinous things to their bodies so much so that when they wear a tie and and a belt on the same day they look like a set of sausages, I feel I can make my own decisions without your need to point out what I do and do not say. Thanks though!! Long live Lucifer!

Texas is not a city. It is a state.

I think that sums up your post pretty well. Thanks.

Ok I thought about this for literally hours.

Now I will finally comment.

I don't believe this story. I just don't. It has to be fake. No human being is this freaking dumb. Sorry ain't buying it.

It has to be some sort of conspiracy.

Like The Man Behind the Curtain (aha Wizard of Oz 71st anniversary tie in again) wants us to revolt against our government.

TPTB want us to hate America so bad that we will accept the UN or something coming in and "fixing it all" and creating more globalized governmental systems to enslave us all even further.

Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.

Supposedly by Henry Kissinger according to
quotes.liberty-tree.ca...
and like 500 other websites.


Screw that though. The government doesn't even exist. It's just an idea, and a bunch of people go around "enforcing" that idea. So I am just going to avoid them. Yep. Avoid Them.

No need to waste my time getting in a negative situation with people I don't even know, who believe in crazy invisible things like "governments".

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan



I can take that it was a mistake to put city instead of State. I mistyped. But still the fattest state. Sorry for the dumb confusion my bad.

Anyway, the topic of torture threats is at hand and I do not see how American soldiers are any different from men who love rent boys. Raping little boys 15 years old or the threat is absolutely disgusting. Can you imagine if someone captured you off the Biggest Loser show and said they would rape you if you did not slim down? Now fair dues you may actually like this and will take what you can get but this is a 15 year old boy we are talking about not a man with moobs . Surely, someone could talk to this boy and use something called a brain and entice any if any info from this CHILD.

PS I will correct my stupid state city lunacy!

reply to post by gagol


Geneva convention means NOTHING.

US law means NOTHING.

MORAL law means EVERYTHING.

We the people either do something, or we do not.

this is just appalling !!!!

It is NOT right to allow the law to threaten
rape or torture you into a confession.
This is pure evil and the work of the Devil.

The US wants to PREVENT crime or terror
and have become criminals and terrorists
themselves. They have not learned yet:

They cannot play God

The only way for this evil empire to crumble
is through Revolution and the good people
change it back. I'm sure I'll be labeled a terrorist
for that comment but frankly I just don't
give a [snip] anymore whether they call me
a terrorist or not. I know the truth.
THEY ARE THE TERRORIST !!!!

reply to post by getreadyalready


What are you spouting?
Yourt statements make mockery themselves....
Supporting the war is supporting the rape of whole countries!
Dont you see your own programmed double think mind set in the trash you wrote?
There is NO legality involved in the wars or the way of getting confessions...both activities are totally anti human, antti justice.
The production of illegal drugs to corrupt and enslave your own children goes on in afghanistan under the auspices f the US military and intlligence sevices!
The us has become the ROGUE STATE that it fears in public.
It is a travesty for such things to come out of the mouth of any judge,and he deserves to be stripped of his robes and treated to some of those legal threats for real!
America the land of double speak, double think.
If people can no longer see this its already too late for the world.

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by gagol

 

Geneva convention means NOTHING.

US law means NOTHING.

MORAL law means EVERYTHING.

We the people either do something, or we do not.

Your post is very interesting, can you elaborate a bit more so I can understand your point?
Do you deny Geneva Conventions and your own laws?
What is the Moral law you talk about?
What will you do about that issue?

reply to post by muzzleflash


I have read through the entire thing again.

I have come to the SAME conclusion.

We either change our military objective, or we are complicit in the crap that is going on.

NO, we do NOT allow anyone to attack us, but WE PROSECUTE anyone doing this kind of crap. Including the judge.

Who the HELL in their right mind allows torture?

Anyway, been nice knowing you peeps for the last two years.

I know peeps like gra believes in our mission. I did in the beginning. But we have become the enemy.

We have become. We have to understand that. Even my mother, though she HAS attempted to put it off, has began to see. She is a wife of a former Colonel, and keeps up with the crap as we do.

Yes, I am from the military, but sooner or later we have to say. At what point, do we allow the world to grow up on their own?