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US Judge: OK to extract confessions by threatening rape

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posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:04 PM
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The allegations are false. He was a child who was dragged overseas by his father. Look at the pictures of all known AQ higher-ups. Do any of them look like they are 15? No, AQ actually uses men who have been doing this for some time. Why the hell would they share any information with an impressionable child?




posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by gagol
Under serious threats anyone could say anything, we have truth serums and lie detectors for christ sake! Bad intel is worse than no intel at all. Deprogramming the radicals would be far more effective and has been proven effective against radical cults.

This will be used by terrorist organizations to boost recruitment efforts.

Ask yourself : What Would Jesus Do?



What would Jesus do? That the whole problem right there. You and your religion and them and theirs. You are all as bad as each other. All religion should be classed as terrorist groups. NO god therefore Jesus was a fraud.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by Section31
 


The allegations are false. He was a child who was dragged overseas by his father. Look at the pictures of all known AQ higher-ups. Do any of them look like they are 15? No, AQ actually uses men who have been doing this for some time. Why the hell would they share any information with an impressionable child?

You are making an assumption based upon age. My grandfather was 18 years of age, and he was drafted into the US military.

Does age change the fact that this 15 year old kid was a soldier working for a terrorist group?

[edit on 12-8-2010 by Section31]



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:10 PM
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posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by oozyism
 


no i dont know you but i do know one thing. if i was running a country and you were running a country i bet my country with my tactics would wipe your country out any day.


Then a question comes in to play, why would you wanna wipe my country out?

That is the exact reason why I made public your mentality, they should lock you up for possibly being a future terrorist. Did you know they actually do that these days in the US? They lock you up for being future terrorist lol

You are condoning genocide ^^

That being said if we both were running a country, other details need to be available in order to find out if your genocidal techniques would defeat my country.

For example what type of military equipment would both countries have? If I was running a country, I would invest heavily in Science and Technology which would create wonders in regards to defense systems.

You can continue creating atom bombs and try to destroy the world, and destroy yourself in process



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by KingAtlas
...SERIOUSLY give a me a good reason??

Okay, you are dead wrong in your assessment in what the first post says. Our overall question is, "Is threatening a terrorist with rape to get information about his allies (other terrorists) the right thing to do?" Hense the article title, "US Judge: OK to extract confessions by threatening rape".

Torturing people is a form of psychology. You mess around with someone's head, so that you can get them to confess or to obtain valuable information. Ever hear of conditioning?

Big difference in what is being talked about.

[Since KingAtlas's post was edited by a moderator, I took the initiative and removed the offensive portion of KingAtlas's reply.]

[edit on 12-8-2010 by Section31]



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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Did he REALLY say that?

Holy #, if ANYONE states that torture is okay, that is the DEFINITION of tyranny.

I am going to post this video AGAIN, you frelling people in the DEMONCRAT party have to understand your group-



You have to understand that Obama has gone beyond the FACT that HE wants a dictatorship!

SORRY FOLKS, what the # is the matter with you?!

[edit on 12-8-2010 by Tyrannyispeace]



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by oozyism
 


no i dont know you but i do know one thing. if i was running a country and you were running a country i bet my country with my tactics would wipe your country out any day.


It is highly doubtful because while you were busy chasing objectives based on what the guy being tortured told you about, his would be busy attacking verified and critical targets. Information gathered from the threat of force is useless, they will admit to and tell you anything just to make it stop.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Jovi1
It is highly doubtful because while you were busy chasing objectives based on what the guy being tortured told you about, his would be busy attacking verified and critical targets. Information gathered from the threat of force is useless, they will admit to and tell you anything just to make it stop.

Says who? Show me your sources?

I would like to see where you get your information.

[edit on 12-8-2010 by Section31]



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:32 PM
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Read the facts of the case. He was taken overseas with his dad. Unfortunately he was with his dad when attacked. There is a huge difference between 15 and 18. People think very differently between the 2 ages.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by Section31
 

There is a huge difference between 15 and 18. People think very differently between the 2 ages.

I can agree with your statement; however, children can form analytical thinking between the ages of 12 and 18. Regardless about the age difference, they both can be used to carry out a war.

So, what do you do? If a 15 year old is pointing a gun at you, do you wait until he pulls the trigger? If you jump out of the way, he will only move his arm to aim at you again. What do you do?

[edit on 12-8-2010 by Section31]



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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en.wikipedia.org...
Here is a good list of the quality of justice that comes from coercion.
bupkuss...
there is a very good psychoanalytical study showing torture produces useless information.

Bush said he was proud of his decision to torture and that he would gladly torture again...
But what happened to the people he ordered to do the torturing...

THEY ARE IN JAIL


Slamming the final nail in the coffin of everything America used to stand for, the boot-licking U.S. Senate last night gave President Bush the legal authority to abduct and sexually mutilate American citizens and American children in the name of the war on terror.


Now here is where it gets really creepy scary...

There is nothing in the "detainee" legislation that protects American citizens from being kidnapped by their own government and tortured.


We all know the definition of terrorist is interchangeable with Patriot


Yale Law Professor Bruce Ackerman states in the L.A. Times, "The compromise legislation....authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights."

www.prisonplanet.com...

I trust they enjoyed watching the films over and over and over....




[edit on 12-8-2010 by Danbones]



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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In a theater of war, you put a bullet in his brainpan.

In a theater of justice, you use the LAW.

Sorry to tell you this, you do not become a barbarian because your opponent is a barbarian.

What the hell is the matter with people? If he is found guilty of crime or the law of WAR, you FOLLOW the rule of LAW.

What the hell is the matter with you people?



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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There is a reason kids cannot be charged as adults. They simply do not think the same way. But that is neither here nor there because, when you read the facts of the case you learn that he was not shooting or pointing a gun. He is accused of throwing a grenade, killing an American soldier. Nevermind the fact that he has alread been shot twice in the back and was blinded in one eye by shrapnel. And in addition to this, the American soldiers changed their stories. Omar Khadr is completely innocent.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Tyrannyispeace
reply to post by Section31
 


In a theater of war, you put a bullet in his brainpan.

In a theater of justice, you use the LAW.

Okay, since he is not a 'United States' citizen, what type of punishment does his country have for committing murder?



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:42 PM
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I'd love to spend a little time with that judge and show him some "enhanced interrogation techniques" up close and personal. Just so long as he knows that anything he confesses to can be used against him in court.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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if I remember and I could be wrong. I'm sorry I don't have a site or source I read it in the news paper. here goes...

I thought that because he was not a united states citizen he isn't subject to us law he isn't able to sue he isn't able to do much any thing. while I don't think its right to do what they did to this kid. its not right but he isn't a u.s citizen he can't do anything..

side note the geneva convention is for warfare aginst others who have signed that thing. Iraq and afgan haven't signed it I could be wrong I know iraq hadden't so I don't see how its relivent to the con vo. just debating sorry for my bad spelling.. hope it helps..



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by KingAtlas
Camaro, you can't possibly believe waht you are saying, I honestly feel sorry for you now.

I mean to live your life in fear, so as to condone the terrorist acts of the united states government and actually believe that the terrorist acts of other countries is worse.

The dropping of the atomic bomb didn't save any lives, there is no proof that if the bombs weren't dropped that millions of lives would have been lost. I dont understand where you get your numbers. In fact the bombs cost millions of lives, just not american.

You say that peace loving hippies are the weak ones, but i say you are weak and feable.

You are MORALLY weak, and MENTALLY feable.

Obviously you haven't studied war, been to war, or know any soldiers that have been to war.

You are protraying a stereotype beacause deepdown you have no self knowledge.

Once again I am sorry you feel as if you must kill everyone befor they kill you.

P.S. Don't speak of what Patton would do, you have no clue.



I have visited ever major battle field in the Europe theater that the USA fought in in WW2. I paid my respects to the fallen US soldiers on that foreign soil. I payed my repects to patton himself at his grave site. I have seen D-day and the beaches, i visted bastone. I have visited ever major battle in the civil war. I study history. my father is the largest privet civil war collector in the united states. Your not the one who know what he is talking about. I feel sorry for you. i have family in iraq now. my family has been in every major battle this country has fought in all the way to the Revolutionary war. dont tell me i dont know anything about war. My family fought in those wars! your just soft and a big talker



Have you ever payed your respects to fallen solders? you have family that made sacrafices for there countery? prob not. you just sit there collecting your SS on my dime. *edit* i did not have family in Vietnam or Koria but they were in Revolutionary war, war of 1812, civil war, ww1, ww2 and now Iraq.

I never said rapping a "kid" was right. but again this is not a kid. just because he is 15 doesent mean he wont kill you if you gave him a gun. Cruel and unusual punishment is in the constitution but lucky for us they did it in Cuba so no harm no foul. im just glad the judge did the right think to pretect america



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:48 PM
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The precident is now set for torturing AMERICAN children
as I have shown above.
Patriots, homeschoolers, vetrans, sellers of unpasturised milk. and farm produce. and those who defend the constitution and the bill of rights.

So defending the torture of children is what it is.
Anyone can see that.



[edit on 12-8-2010 by Danbones]



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ssJust because he is 15 doesent mean he wont kill you if you gave him a gun. Cruel and unusual punishment is in the constitution but lucky for us they did it in Cuba so no harm no foul. I'm just glad the judge did the right think to pretect america


No harm no foul? You think this person isn't going to have some Charles Bronson level vendetta being tortured like that. Even on a moral level, if a country policies the world in this way the standards aren't that much better than theirs.

[edit on 12-8-2010 by igor_ats]




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