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One million New Yorkers to see Building 7 fall (AE911truth)

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posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by jprophet420
 


Really?

Where is Saddam giving his victory speech? Where is the Taliban doing press conferences from their remote caves? Where is the treaty, or surrender? From which fronts are our trips retreating? Where is the mounting losses of US casualties? (And don't give me the BS about 4000 lost in the past 10 years, we have lost that many in single days during other wars.)

Where is your proof? Your statistics? Who is taking credit for our defeat? If we were defeated, where are the victors?

Just because there are still some guerilla warriors annoying our troops does not constitute a loss. In today's warfare, you don't get to annihilate your enemy, that makes for bad public press. Instead, you defeat their military, replace their government, move in your civilian forces and sign lucrative contracts for rebuilding. Then you place your political allies in places of power and influence, then you pull out your troops while the "insurgents" try to create headlines.

I am pretty sure we did all of that. Maybe you haven't read the Petraeus books on modern warfare? There will never be a clear cut winner in today's warfare, but it is pretty easy to spot a loser, since they are either dead, or in hiding. The US is neither of those, yet our enemies are.


Really.

Are you saying that insurgents in Iraq are my enemy?

You have directly equated being killed to being annoyed in your post above. There's no argument against you I can make that is stronger then the one you have made against yourself good sir.




posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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Well, for one, "Insurgents" is some new politically correct BS that was invented for this new warfare. So lets call them guerilla fighters. That is what they are. They are not terrorists, and they may or may not be insurgents, since we don't know their country of origin. They are in fact guerrilla fighters.

Two, yes, those guerrillas are the enemy of the US at this point in the war, although it started out as the reigning government of Iraq as the enemy, but that government and military was handily defeated in a couple of weeks.

Three, yes, on a grand scale compared to the might and presence of our military around the world, the handful of weekly deaths in Iraq are but a minor annoyance. I feel for those families, and in each individual case it is tragic, but on the grand scale, it does not compare to WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, or any other war the US has ever been involved in. As a matter of fact, it is only slightly more lethal than typical training casualties.

Please do not take that as callous, if you are over there fighting, then I pray for your safe return. However if you are over there fighting, then I am amazed and appalled that you would call yourself defeated? That is almost treasonous for a soldier to be publicly declaring the defeat of his own outfit!
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And Thank You for the Foe status!


I guess, since you are calling our military defeated, and claiming that the "insurgents" are not your enemy, then declaring me a Foe, puts me on the side of the US Military and it is an honor to be on this side!


[edit on 20-8-2010 by getreadyalready]



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by beijingyank
Irate Radical

Thank you for clearing that up, Dave.


I call your photo and raise you one 2003 Hamas bus bombing in Haifa, killing 15 and wounding 40-



What's your point with this, anyway? Nobody is arguing that conducting war over superstitions that goat herders invented 2000 years ago isn't a dumbass practice that inflicts misery on all sides regardless of who's practicing it. If anything it only proves my point that the 9/11 attack genuinely was a terrorist attack by a bunch of hard core religious zealots who got the idea in their head that slaughtering 3000 people will please their god to begin with.

There's enough REAL intolerance in the world as it is without needing to go off and make up stuff on your own. Who here thinks these posters the OP is talking about will be honest enough to mention that, raise your hands.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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I think it is fantastic that the NY citizens will get to see WTC7 implode on itself.

I find few people who are even aware that three, not two, repeat three buildings imploded that day.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by jprophet420
 


Well, for one, "Insurgents" is some new politically correct BS that was invented for this new warfare. So lets call them guerilla fighters. That is what they are. They are not terrorists, and they may or may not be insurgents, since we don't know their country of origin. They are in fact guerrilla fighters.

Two, yes, those guerrillas are the enemy of the US at this point in the war, although it started out as the reigning government of Iraq as the enemy, but that government and military was handily defeated in a couple of weeks.

Three, yes, on a grand scale compared to the might and presence of our military around the world, the handful of weekly deaths in Iraq are but a minor annoyance. I feel for those families, and in each individual case it is tragic, but on the grand scale, it does not compare to WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, or any other war the US has ever been involved in. As a matter of fact, it is only slightly more lethal than typical training casualties.

Please do not take that as callous, if you are over there fighting, then I pray for your safe return. However if you are over there fighting, then I am amazed and appalled that you would call yourself defeated? That is almost treasonous for a soldier to be publicly declaring the defeat of his own outfit!
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And Thank You for the Foe status!


I guess, since you are calling our military defeated, and claiming that the "insurgents" are not your enemy, then declaring me a Foe, puts me on the side of the US Military and it is an honor to be on this side!


[edit on 20-8-2010 by getreadyalready]


They are indeed guerrillas (thank you for including at least one fact in your post). It is not new. Neither is the name.


An insurgency is an armed rebellion against a constituted authority (for example, an authority recognised as such by the United Nations) when those taking part in the rebellion are not recognised as belligerents


They aren't fighting against the USA, they are fighting against US occupation.

Its not a new term, its just one you aren't familiar with



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Turns out you are correct. "Insurgent" has been around since 1765. Apparently it just wasn't a popular MSM term until the Administration kept zigging and zagging around who we were actually fighting.

Something else I found interesting, is that "insurgent" doesn't have to be people crossing the border to fight on behalf of the Iraqis. The MSM made it sound like these insurgents were not Iraqis, but the term is basically defined as a rebel.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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Censorship...the last recourse of a scoundrel...censorship...

Whether it is 80,000 New Yorkers names on a petition to begin a new and real investigation, a zionist comes out of the woodwork and tosses it.

Every time 911 Truth movement gains some ground, there is a zionist that will censor, smear, ridicule, derail, or deep six it.

The zionist criminal demeanor in the press, courts, main stream media, government, have shown Patriots time and again their collusion and guilt.

Zionists are the pink elephant in the living room.

Zionism is a political movement that includes all makes and models of Christians and Jews. Yet the zionists are quick to throw the "anti Semite" card to discredit any and all of their detractors. But don't be confused. Zionism is a political movement and not a people.

Zionists gained the most from 911. They danced in Jersey after they set up cameras "to record the event" before the first strike on 911.

The list goes on and on, every time the Truth Movement has been derailed it is because of zionists.

After all, only the guilty are afraid of the truth.


[edit on 21-8-2010 by beijingyank]

[edit on 21-8-2010 by beijingyank]



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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Yes, Virginia. Censorship is the last resort of a scoundrel. Great post by the way.



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 09:19 PM
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The biggest and best advertised conspiracy theory of all is the dumbass idea that 19 Arabs did this while suffering kidney failure from a cave in Afghanistan.

The citizens of NYC deserve to watch the replay of WTC 7.

A twenty year old today was only ten when it happened. These children have had to live in the same houses that the adults provided for them. The adults who witnessed 911. The kids had to endure the emotional trauma the adults experienced. The 20 year olds probably have a lot of questions that they never asked of the adults.

It is a very great thing to enlighten a new generation of the horrible lies told and being attempted to be maintained in the dumbass official story.

There are numerous conspiracy theories and the official story is, though not the least plausible of the many, for an intelligent and rational person, it is one of the highly unlikely and improbable of the bunch.



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by beijingyank
Yes, Virginia. Censorship is the last resort of a scoundrel. Great post by the way.


You don't have to tell me. I always feel I'm really in "enemy territory" when I post here, despite the commercial "conspiracy" appeal everywhere.... But those are the kinds of things I have to keep quiet, for reasons that I'm afraid would only validate my suspicions.

Responding to a photo of an Israeli-slaughtered baby with a bus bombing, has as much to do with millions of NY'ers seeing WTC7, as my wondering what on Earth possesses someone to turn away from a dead baby and ignore it in their continued support of their favorite team, even denying that Israel did anything wrong at all and saying it's the fault of 'superstitions of the goat-herders'. There is a certain amount of humanity in there that doesn't exist anymore, that I'm sure the Israeli soldiers themselves know much better.


Originally posted by GoodOlDave
I call your photo and raise you one 2003 Hamas bus bombing in Haifa, killing 15 and wounding 40-


The photo in question was a photo of a baby, presumably Palestinian, who has a clean bullet wound right through the chest from a gun, presumably fired by an Israeli. The baby is most definitely dead. Dave's response was to "call" the photo and "raise" it another incident, as seen above.

So what I'm wondering is what the dead baby means, or is worth for "calling" and "raising," to Dave. Is it everything okay when you shoot a baby through the chest trying to "defend yourself", and not even so much as a policy change results? Or apology? News report? Guess not... It was just a Palestinian baby anyway, is that what you're saying? It shouldn't have been practicing those damned old goat-herder superstitions.

This is another one of those issues where people just aren't going to see and hear something if they don't want to. I want to see and hear it all, and then make my decisions. I have seen video of the aftermath of Israel bombing civilian homes and killing entire families in the middle of the night, in a single instant, all because they say someone fired a rocket at them that resulted in no casualties. Blowing holes into peoples' houses and using them as reconnaissance posts, throwing the family out onto the street for the night. Wildly shooting and killing anything that moves, even babies. Who will censor this and protect the murderers? It's a Rite of Passage for the Israeli soldier to shoot a civilian you know. All behind this massive concrete wall the Israelis have erected Gestapo-style and armed with automatic rifles to keep all the unwanted's out in the sanctioned area, where many Palestinians don't even have running water anymore. Let alone their blown-up homes and dead family members they have to move and bury themselves.

But what am I saying? The Palestinians brought this all upon themselves for living there and for being so upset by all of this that they actually retaliate. Can you imagine? That someone would actually retaliate against those kinds of things!? Unimaginable. They should just lay down like dogs and take the beating. After all that's what our forefathers did when the British started taxing... Oh wait.



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posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 11:11 PM
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Yes, Virginia the last resort of a scoundrel is to censor and ban. The greatest lies are when the truth is omitted from the press, or kept from the public domain.

We are dealing with psychopaths. They think they are too clever to be caught. And even if caught they think they are so smart, well organized, well financed, with quislings in government and high places that can get them out of trouble. The problem here is they don’t know how or when to stop the carnage. Nobody is safe until they are taken out.

The same psychopaths that laugh at murdered babies are the same psychopaths that fly planes into buildings to blame on their enemy. Murdering 3000 innocents does not bother them, they have no conscience.

There is a long history of zionist terrorism and false flag terrorism. Zionists will murder their own people if it is convenient to obtaining their political agenda. Zionists are dangerous to the same people they claim to represent. “One cow in Palestine is worth all the Jews in Poland,” is one zionist quote and philosophy that comes to mind. Millions of innocent Jews could have been saved from starvation in refuge camps had the international zionist committee come up with a few shekels for visa expenses. Their death didn’t move their heart, their death was to be the blackmail to obtain their political goals.

Yes, the zionists are the pink elephant in the living-room.

There is a long history of zionist false flag events and organized efforts to conceal the truth from the public. The Lavon Affair is well known, and recently it has been declassified how millions of dollars were invested in a U.S. media to cover it up.

The USS Liberty is another false flag where the killing of innocents were to be used to blame their enemy.

It was a quisling zionist judge that committed the crime against democracy and tossed 80,000 signatures on a petition asking for a new and real 911 investigation.

It was a zionist judge that referred to Building 7 as “Building what?”

It was a zionist colluder at Homeland Security that obtained the freedom of the “dancing Israelis” in New Jersey. These were the illegal alien Mossad agents that set up cameras “to record the event” before the first 911 strike and were arrested by the FBI. These confederates proceeded to fail every lie detector test given.

Every where you turn, you find a zionist reaping large fortunes from the tragedy. Every where you turn, you find a zionist covering up, white washing, and stonewalling a real investigation.

Every where you turn, the zionist's criminal demeanor is so outrageously obvious if the Patriots don’t stop them now, the psychopaths will just keep on rolling and nobody is safe.

You only catch the flak when you are over the target. So watch this post get the "building what" treatment, censored or even better, banned.

Just watch.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 05:21 AM
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well generally those far out stories from nut jobs are the real disinfo agents trying to make us truthers look bad.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by dragnet53
trying to make us truthers look bad.


truthers are managing to do that very well themselves. What is the latest truther theory on 911? Mini nukes has reappeared I see!



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 06:07 AM
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I question everything any Government is up to , i dont think there in it to serve mankind do you?



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 06:22 AM
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There were no nuclear powered devices or weaponary used on 9/11. If strategically placed under the little plaza diectly symetrical between the 2 towers would've stripped Manhattan from The Financial corner to The Battery clear off the island. Manhattan's geography would've nesseciatated the rewriting of the maps back to the pre 1960 diagrams.I would not be here writing this as a mid sized high yield nuke has the capacity to literately decimate an area at least 5 miles squared.

No holograms either. We may be able to do crazy things with them we are not that advanced yet. It is impossible to send up a satalite or to even construct the device that will project the image without sending up a ton a red flags. We've only recently mastered smaller items but even that is limited.

The reason dude's trying to start locally is you got to start small and build it slowly in order for it to be effective.

No plane hit The Pentagon a Tomahawk ICBM missle did.

Each tower was pre wired hence why total damage was predominately limited to the complex itself leaving the surrounding structures standing and intact.

Find a report that said something to the effect that in the 1980's when Asbestos issues became prominent a report from the Late 80's - Ear 90's claimed that the towers themselves were in violation regarding certain NYC building codes when NYC City Council voted to change the law to include asbestos as a toxin and was ordered down as a result.

Look for 3 FEMA manuals that cover the, then National Mandate pertaining to Domestic Security Terrosism Reposnse that shows The WTC in crosshairs. Today's manual is issued by The Dept. Of Homeland Security and bears the DHS logo/emblem.

This is where all should look, the truth will reveal itself.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
No plane hit The Pentagon a Tomahawk ICBM missle did.


Another truther showing their ignorance, the BGM-109 Tomahawk is NOT a ballistic missile...


Each tower was pre wired hence why total damage was predominately limited to the complex itself leaving the surrounding structures standing and intact.


Still wrong, why ignore the damage suffered to WTC 3,4 5 6 and 7, and how come no one noticed the buildings being pre wired?



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 08:07 AM
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"how come no one noticed the buildings being pre wired? "

When was the last time you questioned a group of Maintenance Men in overalls what there intentions were for that day?



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
When was the last time you questioned a group of Maintenance Men in overalls what there intentions were for that day?



Whenever they were working in my area, especially if they were carrying in tonnes of materials, and were punching holes in walls and connecting things with detcord, which they would have done if they were wiring up the buildings with explosives. Also the sniffer dogs in the WTC would have picked up the explosives, a fact that the truthers ignore!



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
No plane hit The Pentagon a Tomahawk ICBM missle did.


Another truther showing their ignorance, the BGM-109 Tomahawk is NOT a ballistic missile...


Each tower was pre wired hence why total damage was predominately limited to the complex itself leaving the surrounding structures standing and intact.


Still wrong, why ignore the damage suffered to WTC 3,4 5 6 and 7, and how come no one noticed the buildings being pre wired?


Good day,

The pre wiring occured during July 01 as the complex itself was closed for "Security Upgrades" and was wired then as if you do plan a destruction make sure that you also plan to bring it down safely if it won't go down safely to limit damage and debris. The total WTC Complex then consisted of 7 buildings and like 3 statues, all destroyed and decimated.

Go into the towers after everyone's gone for the day, take a hundered photos of the room, remove what you got to, wire the place, consult pics, put everything back the way it was and the person whose worked there for 20 years and has memorized where and how everything is would not know a thing. I bring a camera to your house, get you out the house for a couple hours, wire your house, place your stuff back to the way you had it and you'd never know I was there.

The fact the MSM and TPTB were caught in 2003 as they were asked, "If the falling 1WTC N and 2WTC S fell and caused the damage it did that led to 7WTC collapsing using logic wouldn't've 3World Financial Center building fall as well since it was only 50 feet from 2WTC S's western face?" This is why the story changed from "Debris from 1WTC N and 2WTC S caused the collapse of 7WTC" to the current "7WTC was taken out by fire".

The Pentagon to this day refuses to release the near dozen or so security tapes from the camera's from at least a dozen hotels in the area that could definitively prove as to wether or not a plane did impact The Pentagon. Instead we get a sequence of jpeg stills from the gate at The West Lot. There is definately something afoot. The most logical launch point of said missle would've been either the Norfolk, Virgina Naval Base or in the Atlantic Ocean a few hundered miles out to sea. Take a naval destroyer and place it at the mouth of The Chessepeake Bay in Maryland waters where it meets the Atlantic Ocean and prohibit all marine traffic and you could do anything you want. Heck, uyou could send one into The White House and no one would know a thing.


[edit on 22-8-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]



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