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Civilization in Antarctica (with source)

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posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by Harte
Wiki may not be the greatest source, but surely you can't deny that it will do for a brief bio on a famous person.

At any rate, practically every wiki article has it's sources posted at the bottom of the page.

I'll bet that among those sources you can find several that your old professors would deem perfectly acceptable.

In fact, it is not contested anywhere that Vyse found the chambers as described. Nor is the wording of the glyphs within contested by anyone other than Zecharia Sitchen. At least, he once did. These days even he might admit them to be valid.

Harte

[edit on 8/14/2010 by Harte]


Yeah, just look at wikileaks and all the controversy there




posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by Soulshock

Well, I for one believe that our science knows pretty much nothing. And how are we supposed to know about the Moon and other planets when we don't even know, or disclose, our own planet's history.


knowing more about the moon than we do the ocean does not imply we can't possibly know about the moon. While our current knowledge is indeed finite, it is amazing to reflect on the vast knowledge that we do hold. I suggest taking some courses in astronomy and reading some more books about space and the objects outside of the earths sphere, you may become utterly fascinated by what you find. With that said, Surely I agree that we should know more about our planet, but given the scientific and actual data that exists, I find it highly questionable that there were very advanced civilizations that existed previously such as the ones suggested in your OP. I see no indication in the article that main stream science is accepting the possibility of such civilizations.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 01:26 AM
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It's been documented that Chinese ships sailed around Cape Horn as well as across the Pacific to South America and the Cape of Good Hope since at least the 5th century.

Europeans have made similar voyages since at least the 12th.

Some people claim there are "ancient" maps depicting an iceless Antarctic continent. Some of these travelers are claimed to have have left behind relics and landmarks along the route.

If there was any evidence of Antarctic civilization to these ancient mariners and explorers, it would have certainly been noted, as some of these "ancient maps" are claimed to show incredible detail.

So who's right; the explorers who actually or allegedly traveled there and reported NOTHING, or you?



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
Now as for a prehistoric Antarctic civilization, it's possible, especially if climate was different at that time.


The only difference in climate was that it was colder with more extensive coastal ice .....

The last time parts of Antartcica may have been neary temperate - sufficent for humans to live there without relying on supplies brought in by aircraft - was the Pliocene. About 4,000,000 years ago (though there evidence for this is by no means conclusive - it may not have been as mild as some suggest).

We currently have Antarctic ice cores going back 800,000 and couples with other geological data have a pretty good idea of the continent's paleoclimate

See, for example: Quaternary Glacial and Climate History of Antarctica

As for maps depicting an ice free Antarctica: they were made up. Hence they all look so very different! Although some later ones may show parts of Australia and, in the case of Piri Re'is, Argentina.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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As for maps depicting an ice free Antarctica: they were made up. Hence they all look so very different! Although some later ones may show parts of Australia and, in the case of Piri Re'is, Argentina.


MOST people ought to know that these are fakes and mistakes.
MOST people ought to know that Antarctica has been ice covered far longer than man has existed on Earth.

But, there are now competing threads here:

Some would have you believe that it was empty of ice, but barren and uninhabited.
Some say it has been inhabited by various "civilizations" over different periods before Amundsen, Byrd, Scott, Shackleton, et al began establishing outposts.

They cannot BOTH be correct.
I was hoping to eliminate one of them.
For a while.

(Did you hear that they've successfully thawed Shackleton's Scotch?)

jw



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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Just a note on many map makers of relative antiquity such as the infamous Mercator; these guys used to make a lot of stuff up. Mercator was a pioneer map maker who created some of the very first relatively accurate 'globe' maps, and global maps, yet he never personally left Flemish Germany despite mapping the entire earth. Unashamedly he took personal liberties in filling in the blanks and uncertainties of the maps from which he borrowed all of his source material.

This was a common feature of map making of the time and before; taking established sources and intellectually filling in the blanks, including rivers, winds and mountains, to unfinished and intellectually inaccurate maps.

So by seeing these illustrations in a map such as by Reis does not imply that there is a first hand account of such geographical features.


The other point I would like to make is regarding the coastlines of the continents besides antarctica. Because if there was no glaciation on that continent then there would have been sufficiently higher ocean levels as there are today, altering the continents coastal outlines. To what extent I am not sure, but something to think about nonetheless. Because if the outlines of South America and Africa appear as today then the map is almost guaranteed to be a mere amalgamation and approximation of ancient knowledge rather than an accurate reproduction.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by Soulshock
 


It's been documented that Chinese ships sailed around Cape Horn as well as across the Pacific to South America and the Cape of Good Hope since at least the 5th century.


Since you express an interest in this subject, you ought to look at the following essay on the Hall of Maat website, It might clarify the issue a tad.

www.hallofmaat.com...

Bottom line, while there are a lot of tantalizing threads...the metaphorical kind...out there regarding Precolumbian European contact with North America, the only proven site at this point is Lans Aux Meadows. By all means, keep looking but don't let the concept of proof scare you.



posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297
It's been documented that Chinese ships sailed around Cape Horn as well as across the Pacific to South America and the Cape of Good Hope since at least the 5th century.

No it's been speculated, but never "documented."

In fact, there's really not a single shred of physical evidence that would indicate that the Chinese ever sailed that far before the modern era.

Harte



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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except the last few decades we haven't done much noteworthy to get us into space, and now it's up to the independant projects who're more focused on space tourism than any real space exploration.


Antarctic civilization though, I'm willing to beleive it, Antarctica wasn't always covered in ice and glaciers afterall



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Gren
Antarctic civilization though, I'm willing to beleive it, Antarctica wasn't always covered in ice and glaciers afterall


One thing to consider is that glaciers don't gently plop two miles of ice upon the landscape and chill it like a fishbowl of sea monkeys in a chest freezer. They scour the surface like a rasp. One would be hard pressed to find anything but compressed rubble in a few pre-glacial ravines and valleys.

Still, the ice-free valleys have always intrigued me.



posted on Aug, 18 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Gren
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Antarctic civilization though, I'm willing to beleive it, Antarctica wasn't always covered in ice and glaciers afterall


OK, let's "poke" this a bit.

Antarctica became "isolated" (separated) from other major land masses gradually. Africa broke free around 160 mya (million years ago), India at around 125 mya, Australia (along with New Guinea) at around 40 mya and South America at around 23 mya. Now, following the breakup of Australia, climate in Antarctica became gradually colder with the first ice appearing (on a permanent basis but not widespread). After South America broke free, Antarctica became became enclosed by ocean currents that isolated it completely from the flow of warmer ocean waters, thus it became frozen. This started around 23 mya and the glaciation covered the entire continent by around 15 mya. The ice has reached its current level by 6 mya.

To find remnants of a civilization UNDER the ice suggests the following "prerequisites":



  • There were humans around to form a civilization at any of the aforementioned dates
  • There are still material remnants under a mile of ice (or two miles), ice that is not static but "travels" and thus erodes the surface like no other force can
  • If Antarctica was reached at a later date, there was the capability of open sea traveling (please suggest this later date)
  • Whoever went there, went for a reason AND they had the capability to withstand the climate there, especially during the antarctic winter. Please provide a reason.
  • Where did whoever formed this Antarctic civilization come from? It will shed some light as to when they did get there - if at all!


Believing in something just to appear "cool" is one thing, answering the questions that emerge from such beliefs is another. Is this belief based on anything that holds any amount of water or is it purely religious?




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