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Originally posted by Sarkazmon
Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
If you are skeptical of this phenomenon, then this thread is not for you
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Seriously though: go outside, talk to real people, stop staring at clocks.
[edit on 13-8-2010 by Sarkazmon]
Originally posted by immortal coil
I don't think I've ever experienced the 11:11 phenomenon. Although, ever since I started learning about sacred geometry, the flower/tree/seed of life symbolism has pretty much resonated with me to the very core. Coincidentally, the one reocurring number patter in sacred geometry is a sequence of 1's. Maybe this phenomenon manifests itself differently in certain people.
Originally posted by StarFox
I think it has more to do with our internal clock than any conspiracy. You ever wake up just before your alarms goes off? Internal clock. The chances of looking at a clock and seeing 11:11 are much greater than a random occurrence because our internal clock knows what time it is subconsiously. Internal clocks arn't conspiracies.
Originally posted by StarFox
I think it has more to do with our internal clock than any conspiracy. You ever wake up just before your alarms goes off? Internal clock. The chances of looking at a clock and seeing 11:11 are much greater than a random occurrence because our internal clock knows what time it is subconsiously. Internal clocks arn't conspiracies.
Originally posted by sinewave
You don't even have to be skeptical, but what does seeing numbers mean in practice? Maybe it's just happenstance.
And quantum physics is revealing what the indigenous spiritualists have known since the dawn of the human race: there IS no "external", any more than there is a perfect vacuum in space, or atoms are composed of tiny billiard-ball-like particles. Get used to the Concrete World paradigm getting slapped around, it's not going to stop.
Originally posted by Section31
Originally posted by Student X
Sorry to butt in, but if the 11:11 phenomenon is a psychological phenomenon that does NOT debunk it. In a holographic and biocentric reality, psychological phenomenon are not just inside your head. In other words, it isn't just psychological, it's para-psychological and para-sociological.
Without going into this massive explanation about psychology, your interpretation of the field is a little too narrow and too broad. At the core of all 'recognized' psychological studies, the physiological make-up of a human-being and external influences both contribute to how people behave and interpret the world. Cognitive, behavioral, humanism, social, etc...
With every advance in Quantum Physics, those two are nearing mass-acceptance. Face it, pal, the world ain't flat! The recognition (or lack thereof) of self-important, myopic "scientists" has nothing to do with the merit of a field of study. "Physical nature of existence", indeed! If I asked you to define "physical", you would only be able to parrot a set of circular arguments that you were taught by your "science" teacher, who, of course, only recognized the "recognized" fields of scientific study. Oh by the way, ever heard of Jungian Psychology? I would say that's rather widely recognized...
Para-psychology and para-sociology are not recognized fields of study, for they contradict the physical nature of existence. Those fields of study are considered a philosophy rather than an actual psychology.
No, what he sees around him is a bunch of electrical impulses that are being interpreted by his brain. And those impulses are proveded by a group of sensory organs that can only see a very very narrow slice of "reality", if you can even call it that. The only thing that is real about it is his experience of it, and that is only real to the non-physical part of him. Put the cart behind the horse where it belongs: interpreted sensory input is NOT reality.
We do not live in a holographic environment; thus, everything around you is 100% reality.
(Doing the Wayne's World bow):
Devil is in the words and details. Look very-very close to my explanation.
Thanks for letting us know what our questions *should* be. If it weren't for people like you, humans would be thinking they could reach the moon! Ha! Ridiculous, ennit?
Your questions should be, "What happened in the environment? What is in the environment? What is the genetic makeup of the person? What is the life-space history of the person? Do they have behavioral issues, and are they contributed to external influences or physiological influences?"
Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
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Originally posted by Syrus Magistus
To the left was a big blue star that cast a bright golden globe, partly visible at the top of the painting above the pyramid. It had rays of light coming down that outshone everything else in the piece, and branded without mid-separation in the globe, I outlined, painted, and inked over four purple lines, like ( l l l l ).
What do YOU know, is the more pertinent question. I happen to know that consciousness CAN communicate sensibly to consciousness, and that all is composed of consciousness (i.e. reality is god/goddess's dream). Therefore, i can speak to the rocks, and they can speak back to me, after a fashion. Furry animals speaking, ha! That's a given!
Originally posted by operation mindcrime
Skeptic?? Listen, my 4 year old claims all furry animals can talk. If I explain to him that real animals can't talk like those he sees in cartoons.....Am I then the skeptic?? To him I might be but what does he know!!!
aha, there's the rub! The ego cannot stand to be wrong, for being wrong lessens its (false, self-important) value. When you get over your ego to the point where it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, you can experience such things for yourself that the rational mind cannot accept, because there is no "physical" chain of evidence for the existence or operation of such "things". However, the virtual nature of "reality" is such that no thing is actually physical in the Newtonian "billiard-ball" sense. To quote that annoying illusionist from the 70's "It's just an illuuuuusion!"
If the nature of reality permits psychic ability (psi), then tricks of the mind can have unconscious psychic aspects. If tricks of the mind have psychic aspects, then they aren't just tricks anymore. They are anomalous experience.
Indeed...if.
Originally posted by Syrus Magistus
reply to post by Student X
Sounds like you've got a special thing going with Mary Anima.
If I had to call her something, it'd be my Sophia Anima.
Then again, this was more like a lucid dream than an OBE.