Canadians overly sensitive, Brits warned

Perhaps the ATS show could manage to fit in a segment touching this subject regarding Canadians and Americans, i bet that would get the show firing up from the first 1minute of air time.

Originally posted by Wowbagger
It's more of a tradition, and considering we already have a short history, a little tradition is good

If she does give direction to Canada, it's behind the scenes in a truly NWO fashion.

Don't let all that tradition fool ya they take it very seriously but I’m still not certain about the pecking order. No law in Canada at the federal level or provincial level gets passed without Royal Ascent, and that goes for the rest of the Common Wealth. The politicians, as in America, are merely puppets.

However the House of Rothschild (committee of 12 banks headed by the Bank of England) is also linked to the crown since these two powers, the Royal families, the “Nobles” and the merchant banks, who the Nobility of old Europe referred to as “the Commoners”, merged (also intermarried) for practical purposes and today wield joint power.

The money powers may jointly control the Common Wealth (including Canada) from the City of London via the ruling structure of “The Sovereign” (The Queen) through the Privy Councils in the 32 countries The Sovereign reigns.

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I swear if we keep it up, well get this thread on the top threads list! Canadian invasion tonight!

Originally posted by Wowbagger
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I swear if we keep it up, well get this thread on the top threads list! Canadian invasion tonight!

Okay...Okay....this thread has all the makings of a conspiracy, as you can see the thousands of threads regarding Iran attacking the U.S. , Mexico going over the border into Texas, N.Korea declaring war on S.Korea and the U.S. and while all that is going on, Canada is stealthy taking over the U.S. and fighting billion dollar corporations with one weapon.

Beer.

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Yeah I've read about all of this, and I do believe in it to an extent. But I still think it's mostly for tradition.

Like you said everything needs to get Royal Ascent to pass but it's formalities. I mean, you never hear the prime minister saying : "I'll check with the Queen then we'll see if we can buy those F-35s"

If she is actively implicated in the governance of Canada then we're not hearing about it. And as far as I'm concerned we're getting fair representation as well as services for our taxes. Then again, maybe I'm the perfect little sheep.

Baaaaaahh!!

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I swear I just saw a documentary about beer smuggling in Iran. Unfortunately it wasn't canadian beer but we'll get there!

...and just for fun...oh i do like No 3 in this video montage.

This is a good time to bring this up. Canada is VERY regionalized. You've got the Maritime provinces that are back and forth politically, no bad feelings towards Quebec. Then Quebec, I sure hope they get rid of the Bloc Quebecois. Vote for national parties. Quebec is never going to separate. If they couldn't under Levesque it's not going to happen.

Then Ontario. They swing both ways on the political scheme. EVERYONE hates them. Manitoba, probably the most sane province in the country. Saskatchewan, used to be a socialist hotbed but I don't know much about them now.

This one's going to need a paragraph all it's own. Alberta. Texas North. They are ALWAYS conservative and hate everything east of Manitoba. That's OK though, most of the rest of Canada believes in reciprocity. They're well hated by most of the country.

Then BC, what can I say? The most politically unstable province in the country. They're all over the place. They're not big fans of Quebec and think anything east of there is Newfoundland.

I like what's going on here between My friend from Quebec and I. If the rest of the country would put away the regional animosity we'd be far better off. That said I'm a Bluenoser.

Seriously it's a hell of a relief this discussion tonight. All this Iran war rhetoric was making me nervous. To the point I've started talking to my friends about what to do if...

Don't know why it's making me nervous these days, it's been going on for a good 6-7 years now. Sounds more serious this time around i guess

Originally posted by soleprobe
Don't let all that tradition fool ya they take it very seriously but I’m still not certain about the pecking order. No law in Canada at the federal level or provincial level gets passed without Royal Ascent, and that goes for the rest of the Common Wealth. The politicians, as in America, are merely puppets.

OK, I'm going to have to ask for a link this time because that's not true. Back that up with info please.

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There were 5 members of the Roths that were born, all sent to the 5 corners of the globe and such, we are were are today.

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I have to say, I completely agree with all of this. As far as the bloc quebecois goes, I think they are representing us pretty good on other issues like the language. If they could only drop the separation thing. Makes no sense i know...

And as far as Alberta goes you're also right. Their cops even wear cowboy hats over there! At least they do in Calgary.

And of course, large countries will be regionalized. It's ridiculous judging a whole country based on a state or a province.... or a single street corner like that hitler girl did at the beginning

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Do you mean like they started the various empires? Got any more reading on that, sounds interesting.

I'm a big fan of the civilization series by the way, and that sounds just like the beginning of any random game!

Originally posted by intrepid

Not true. We have a Governor General that acts as the Queens representative but s/he follows what the elected gov't desires.

The elected government runs absolutely nothing in Canada as in the US.

All legislation in Canada at the federal level or the provincial level must receive “Royal Ascent” before it becomes law. It must therefore be signed by the Governor General, the Queen’s direct representative for the Federal jurisdiction in Canada, or the Lieutenant Governor, the Queen’s direct representative in a Province in Canada.

Canada’s military is the Queen’s Militia (1904 Militia Act) and is administered by the Governor General who is the Commander in Chief of the Canadian military on behalf of the Queen.

The queen appoints the Governor General (the queen’s direct representative) after which the two remain in direct contact. The Governor General, like the lieutenant Governors of each province, serve At Her Majesty’s pleasure which means all their authority comes from the Queen.

The Governor General and the Lieutenant Governors of each province have reserve powers that they can exercise without the approval of another branch of the Canadian or provincial governments. If there is a constitutional crisis, the Governor General may exercise Royal Prerogative (Royal Right) against the Prime Minister without the advice of the Prime Minister.

Let's look at the role of the Lieutenant Governor according the Lieutenant Governor's website for the province of British Columbia, the province where I live:

www.ltgov.bc.ca...

Lieutenant Governor:

The Queen’s direct representative in a Province in Canada much as the Governor General is the Queen’s direct representative for the Federal jurisdiction in Canada.

Lieutenant Governors are appointed by the Governor General but are not subordinate to the Governor General in any matter within provincial jurisdiction.

Takes precedence over everyone in the province except the Queen. That includes the provincial premier.

All legislation in the province must receive Royal Assent before it becomes law. It must therefore be signed by the Lieutenant Governor

Note: This is not just mere ceremony… The Queen (or the powers behind the Crown) must approve every law.

Prime responsibility of the Lieutenant Governor is to ensure that at all times there is a First Minister (Premier) in the province

Has the power vested by the Queen to dissolve the House or call upon someone else to become First Minister and to form a viable government.

Note: This again is serious power not mere ceremony.

Lieutenant Governor is the source of the power of the government of the day.

Note: Source of power means the Queen is the source of power for the government.

Lieutenant Governor can decide how the power of the state is to be used and that power never passes to the provincial government but always remains with the Queen.

Note: The above is self explanatory.

They have reserve powers that they can exercise without the approval of another branch of government.

If there is a constitutional crisis, the lieutenant Governor may exercise Royal Prerogative (Royal Right) against the Premier with or without the advice of the Premier.

Note: This means the lieutenant Governor (the Queen) is abover the Premier

Here’s the hilarious official explanation to the public as to the purpose of the power vested with the Lieutenant governor: :

“Thus the power of the state is held in a non-partisan office, above the conflicts and divisions of the political process, and as a consequence it is a unifying force because it represents equally all of the elements which make up the state.”

Did you get that spin? “…above the conflicts and divisions of the political process”

In other words above the democratic process… if there’s a conflict it gets resolved not democratically but by the ruling of the Lieutenant governor (the Queen)

Oaths of Allegiance and Secrecy for Provincial Cabinet Members:

Allegiance:

"I… swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors according to law."

Ministerial Office:

I further swear that I will serve her Majesty faithfully and honestly, and to the best of my skill and knowledge and judgment, execute law and responsibilities, powers and trust granted to me as a Minister of….."

Confidentiality:

"I further swear that I will keep confidential all matters addressed by the executive council and that I will not disclose any such matters to any person other than a member of the Executive Council except as authorized by law or as required in the lawful discharge of my duties."

Originally posted by Wowbagger
I have to say, I completely agree with all of this. As far as the bloc quebecois goes, I think they are representing us pretty good on other issues like the language. If they could only drop the separation thing. Makes no sense i know...

You know what the sad thing is? Duceppe is the best party leader in Canada. Shame he wouldn't pick a national party. Once you get past all that separatist stuff, he'd win. Helluva politician. Probably the most honest too.

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Well, what you should look out for is that off the wire, Russia has asked for a particular Island from Greece to build its new naval base. Simply a stones throw from Suda Crete. You may be asking why ?, well simply because the Ukraine is not so stable as it was. Given that the black sea and anything entering it can be hit via land units it really defies having a naval base there in this day and age.

You might also ask, why the Aegean and so open. I guess that too can be asked, who would be risking complete suicide openly attacking a nations such as Russia. Well we did see what Georgia did with the private green light from NATO and the U.S. but they both were blind sided at the speed and mobilization of its land units who simply bulldozed any resistance from the Georgian forces.

Similar situation to how things evolved in the Yugoslavian war, when NATO was to busy dodging mine fields and accepting losses and the mean time the Spetsnaz paratroopers seized the most critical point, the airstrips, leaving NATO out of commission. I guess history does not teach many world leaders what not to do when engaging another superpower.

So unless you see the Russian navy moving in and around the hot zone, i would not worry too much about it.

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Ehh, wrong:

The governor general isn't always a figurehead, however. Canada saw one of the most controversial uses of a governor general's powers in what is now the Commonwealth.

Isn't always a figurehead? Must be most of the time then.

The governor general is appointed by the Queen on the advice of the prime minister.

www.cbc.ca...

It's ceremonial. The Queen appoints who the PM wants. I could go on but I think that's clear now.

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All you're saying I think is pretty much on the ball legally. However in practice, it's not so black and white. Have the queen or the governor general ever used these powers? I don't think they use it very much.

It sounds to me like these powers are provisions that would only be used in some especially messed up situations, like when TSHTF. At that point, i doubt it any of this will matter anymore.

Continued:

For the interest of Canadians who have a real soul, let’s delve more into the Federal jurisdiction of the Queen and how she rules through the Privy Council:

“The sovereign”, or the Governor General who is appointed by the Queen, outranks other members of the Royal Family.

The Queen rules Canada through the Privy Council for Canada which is a branch or subset of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council located in London. The office of the Privy Council has an advisory role to the queen upon which advice the queen declares her proclamations. (Revealed in Section 3 B.N.A. Act 1867)

The Queen can give orders or directives through the council called “Orders of the Governor in Council.”

All government ministers are sworn in as members of the Privy Council before being sworn to their first portfolio. They are the council of advisors to the Queen of Canada whose members are appointed by the Governor General FOR LIFE. Established by the British North America Act, 1867.

All members of the Privy Council swear an oath of allegiance and secrecy to the Queen not to reveal to the public “all matters committed and revealed to [him/her] in this capacity. And in all things shall be a faithful and true servant to the Queen.

Appointees to the Queen's Privy Council must recite the following requisite oath:

"I, [name], do solemnly and sincerely swear (declare) that I shall be a true and faithful servant to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, as a member of Her Majesty's Privy Council for Canada. I will in all things to be treated, debated and resolved in Privy Council, faithfully, honestly and truly declare my mind and my opinion. I shall keep secret all matters committed and revealed to me in this capacity, or that shall be secretly treated of in Council. Generally, in all things I shall do as a faithful and true servant ought to do for Her Majesty."

Each new privy councilor signs the Privy Council Oath Book, which is also signed by the Governor General and the Clerk of the Privy Council.

Current Member List (over 400)


Members:

Ø All living current and former federal cabinet ministers

Ø All the Chief Justices of Canada

Ø All former Governor Generals.

Ø On occasion leaders of Her Majesty’s Loyal opposition and other opposition leaders

Ø by law all members of the Security Intelligence Review Committee (they oversee the Canadian Security Intelligence Service – CSIS)

Ø Under Paul Martin Parliamentary Secretaries were sworn into the Privy Council

Ø Certain Provincial Premiers

Ø And selected private citizens like Conrad Black

All members have access to information under the Security of Information Act (Canadian Anti Terrorism Act received Royal Ascent just before Christmas December 2001) which includes all sensitive information administered by the Department of National Defense (DND), Information handled by all government agencies: CSIS, RCMP, Dept of Foreign Affairs and International Trade, and Canada Border Services Agency

The above system of “The Sovereign” rule is the same in all 32 countries ruled by the Queen.




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Originally posted by Wowbagger
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Do you mean like they started the various empires? Got any more reading on that, sounds interesting.

I'm a big fan of the civilization series by the way, and that sounds just like the beginning of any random game!

Here you go, you can research each and every member. As you can see its 5 members who created what we know are simply beginning to understand let alone comprehend were we are heading. Be prepared to be blown out of your seat.


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