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‘Variability’ % proves God is the SPECIAL CAUSE, skeptics, why are you ignoring?

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posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by thov420
... I don't think we're going to have any definitive answers anytime soon.



Maybe so....???


Thank you for the time


OT




posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 11:41 PM
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Thank you for your CONTENT-focused reply....

Keep up the good (intellectual) posting




posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 11:42 PM
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Forget it, this is going nowhere


Nophun at least nowadays I do empathise.

OT you must realise, we make some people want to ruin their PCs.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 11:46 PM
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It is interesting to watch...."gone 9 minutes ago" back again "online" "gone 10 minutes ago" "online" etc...


But seriously....

How does one reconcile the 94/6 dilemna? With out sarcarm or cutting down...?

It would be soooooooooo refreshing to have one skeptic go, "ok, interesting, hmmmm? never thought of that"


I think some one may have on page one?



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 11:53 PM
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There are many possible explanations for the apparent fermi paradox, including that we may not have discovered a means to detect extraterrestrial signals and distinguish them from natural phenomena, intelligence might have a tendency to destroy itself before it broadcasts signs of its existence to the outside universe, intelligence may be rare and greatly separated in space so that extraterrestrial signals may be too weak to ever reach the earth, or humanity at its current state may indeed be ahead of the game in terms of technological development.

Here's a thought though, if we are the only intelligent life in the universe, and if the vast majority of space in the universe is in fact hostile to human life, doesn't that work as evidence AGAINST the existence of a benevolent, human-favoring god?


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posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 11:58 PM
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How does one reconcile the 94/6 dilemna? With out sarcarm or cutting down...?


Well as boring as they might be sometimes the standard answers do apply.
It's a matter of pride as I'm sure you've gussed. My answer to the questioin is simply I'm glad I don't have to.
One thing about these people if there was a good answer they would have
it. Traditional, Nophun, Titen and some others I have great respect for them. They earned it too.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by Tearman
There are many possible explanations for the apparent fermi paradox, including that we may not have discovered a means to detect extraterrestrial signals


ok....

question?

If they are SMARTER?

And we have something they WANT?

Why are they playing with us?

Illogical!!!!!!!!!

see: www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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What? I don't see how that argument follows or how it relates to my comment (which you quoted). I certainly never said I believe they are 'playing with us.'

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[edit on 12-8-2010 by Tearman]



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Tearman
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Here's a thought though, if we are the only intelligent life in the universe, and if the vast majority of space in the universe is in fact hostile to human life, doesn't that work as evidence AGAINST the existence of a benevolent, human-favoring god?


How so?

Seems like he set things in order to protect us....


1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.


2-6 here: www.everystudent.com...

[edit on 12-8-2010 by OldThinker]



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by Tearman
reply to post by OldThinker
 


What? I don't see how that argument follows or how it relates to my comment (which you quoted). I certainly never said I believe they are 'playing with us.'

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[edit on 12-8-2010 by Tearman]



so the 20k pictures we have of 'them' the last 100 yrs are for what?


a TEASE maybe



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:08 AM
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You know what you said sounds a lot like the argument "god exists because Earth is the perfect distance from the sun." Isn't it more logical to think Earth is the right distance from the sun, therefore we can exist? I mean both the Earth and Sun were here long before humans.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:10 AM
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the rest....


The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:12 AM
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Don't really see how the AGE of the space circles over humans proves anything?




posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:13 AM
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How about water?


Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6


www.everystudent.com...



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:13 AM
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Here are just a very few reasons why I think that the universe was not designed to be favorable to human life:

1) The fact that every known environment outside of the earth will kill humans almost instantly.
2) The fact that most parts of the environment on earth are dangerous or deadly to humans who cannot find shelter, or who are too far away from food/water, or who are exposed to disease or disaster.

Summary: If nature is our friend it is just barely.



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posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:15 AM
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And what about....


The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.

All this happened by accident right? Please, stop listening to those lib profs bro...

www.everystudent.com...



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
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the rest....


The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4




I think it is interesting that you would bring up the distances between the Earth, the Moon, and the Sun. For one thing, their positions could be different and still support life, and for another thing, they are not constant. The distances between the sun, earth, and moon are changing. The moon is actually moving away from the earth, in the past it was much closer, in the future it will be much farther away.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
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And what about....


The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.

All this happened by accident right? Please, stop listening to those lib profs bro...

www.everystudent.com...
I've heard you refer to the process of natural selection as if it were a random, unfiltered process, but in fact Darwin's insight was that it is NOT random.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:23 AM
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Water is very essential to life, you're right. But there's lots of water in the universe. Water or water ice is present on Mars, comets, Jupiter's moon Europa, even our own moon. They even found water 11 billion light years away!
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(PhysOrg.com) -- Astronomers have found the most distant water yet seen in the Universe, in a galaxy more than 11 billion light-years from Earth. Previously, the most distant water had been seen in a galaxy less than 7 billion light-years from Earth.


Water is H2O. Hydrogen is the single most abundant element in the universe with oxygen as 3rd after helium. I fail to see what significance water plays in your "theory."



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by OldThinker
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the rest....


The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4




Also, I think it is funny that you make this argument, because your opening argument was how we are special because there is no other life in the universe and that proves that the universe was created for us, but if the universe were in fact created for our benefit, why is not the entire universe hospitable to human life, the earth and all other planets, and all the space in between. Why is there any form of natural process which can harm us or end our lives?




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