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“You see if RANDOMNESS created intelligent life here, it should create it 94% of the time EVERYWHERE.”
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by OldThinker
“You see if RANDOMNESS created intelligent life here, it should create it 94% of the time EVERYWHERE.”
Randomness does not exist. Before an egg can be boiled, you need boiling water. Before you can have boiling water, you need a fire. Before you have fire, you need fuel. Before fuel can be caught on fire, you need a source of heat. Etc...
You see my friend, randomness only exist for those who either ignore the bigger picture of causality, or are simply incapable of seeing it. Before life can exist, certain conditions must be met. Before those condition can be met, other conditions must be met. Randomness and chance are for fools and charlatans.
Please walk OT through the logic of that fine sequence you just desribed happening with out intelligent intervention...cause the weather changing where I live and i could use a self-starting fire place....
Originally posted by DisappearCompletely
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Just look at OldThinker's post and thread history and realise that you'll never get what you're looking for. His threads always begin with an idea that has zero proof and never answers skeptics directly, but rather speaks to himself with unremarkable rhetoric while in third person and concurrently denying proven science or facts of reality.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
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Assuming that creationism is a mathematical likelihood, how then do you jump to the assumption that the bible is the accurate truth....
Yeah TD, it's a leap...good point!
I think I may have some backing on it tho?
OT
Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by OldThinker
OT, you win, they lose by default for dropping their case.
Originally posted by Pauligirl
......Sorry, but not even close.
www.universetoday.com...
When you look up into the night sky, it seems like you can see a lot of stars. There are about 2,500 stars visible to the naked eye at any one point at any one time on the Earth, and 5,800-8,000 total visible stars. But this is a very tiny fraction of the stars the Milky Way is thought to have! Astronomers estimate that there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way.
And that's just the Milky Way.
The Bible often uses the “stars of heaven” to represent an extremely large quantity. Genesis 22:17 teaches that God would multiply Abraham’s descendants “as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is on the sea shore.” Genesis 32:12 makes it clear that this represents a number which is uncountable by humans: “the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.”2 These are excellent analogies. Clearly the sand of the sea and the stars in the universe cannot be counted exactly by humans, though of course, they can be roughly estimated. Interestingly, the two quantities come out to about the same order of magnitude: 1022, or ten billion trillion, give or take a factor of ten or so.3 (For other verses using stars as an illustration of large numbers, see Deuteronomy 1:10 and 10:22.)
It was not always believed that the stars were so numerous. The astronomer Claudius Ptolemy (A.D. 150) cataloged 1,022 stars in his work The Almagest.4 Many astronomers believed that these were the only stars that existed, even though Ptolemy never claimed that his catalogue was exhaustive.5 Of course, there are many more stars than this number. The total number of stars that can be distinctly seen (from both hemispheres under ideal, dark sky conditions) with the unaided eye is around 10,000. The precise number depends on how good one’s vision is.
Today, with the help of modern science, we have an even greater appreciation of just how innumerable the stars are. Powerful telescopes allow us to see stars much too distant and faint to be seen without optical aid. Even binoculars reveal countless multitudes of stars that cannot be seen by the unaided eye. It is estimated that our galaxy alone contains over 100 billion stars. Astronomers believe that there are more galaxies in the visible universe than there are stars in our own. Each of these galaxies would have hundreds of millions to trillions of stars. Modern science certainly confirms Genesis 22:17.
Originally posted by OldThinker
Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by OldThinker
OT, you win, they lose by default for dropping their case.
slugger, thank you so very much for the support along the way with my latest...it is truly appreciated. Thing is, the newer skeptics think they can gang bang OT with multiple atheists posting at once, and they find out I'm un-movable in my faith...its really a relationship I've had with G-d for many decades, probably longer then they been on the earth...but I do appreciate your presense here, along with NOTurtypical....man this has been fun
Originally posted by OldThinker
reply to post by MrXYZ
MrXYZ, how's it feel with the hook in your month, in your lip?
That was fun...thx!
Can't stay away huh? See this when you are ready...it'll be here when you can admit his influence.... www.youtube.com...
Originally posted by GeorgeH
I can't believe that a "johnny one note" could command 39 pages.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by OldThinker
reply to post by MrXYZ
MrXYZ, how's it feel with the hook in your month, in your lip?
That was fun...thx!
Can't stay away huh? See this when you are ready...it'll be here when you can admit his influence.... www.youtube.com...
Wasn't meant as a joke ....
Originally posted by MrXYZ
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And that very quote explains why discussing rationally with you is completely useless. If it goes against your belief, it doesn't exist or is wrong, no matter how many facts back it up. ......
Originally posted by Grimnal
- anti matter + - anti matter = - anti mater + matter
Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by OldThinker
OT, you win, they lose by default for dropping their case.