Would you have voted for Hitler?

I dont even call everything Hitler did as "socialism". I think many of us would agree that manufacturing and buying goods made in your own country is a good thing. I am sure many of us would agree that being a nation of exporters instead of importers is a good thing.

That being said, I think may of us would agree that a business that employs 20 people or more being under full control of the state is not a good thing.

With everything in this world there is good and bad. Some things work and some do not. I just do not subscribe to the idea that you throw the baby out with the bath water. Why not take parts that worked, parts that benefited all, and keep them. Then throw away the rest.

Originally posted by thedarktower

Originally posted by Pockets
Vote for national socialism...No way

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So you dont agree with socialism? do you prefer capatalism? consumerism, communism? which one do you prefer? Just asking, not being rude or nothing

The nazi's were facists the complete opposite to socialst. National socialism is the political extreme right wing.

No I would not have voted for Hitler, anyone who craved that much adoration is a no no as far as I am concerned

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
No I would not have voted for Hitler, anyone who craved that much adoration is a no no as far as I am concerned

That includes pretty much everybody running for President, ever. Anybody wanting to be President definitely has a screw loose.

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Now your post to me highlights the confusion of people on this topic. Allow me to explain, we can look back now (as hindsight is 20/20) and say that anyone who craved so much adoration is not a good thing. However, Hitler did not start off craving so much adoration for himself. Most of what he did at the start of his regime was selfless. It was all about building up your own country. Not Hitler himself, but the nation of Germany. In building up your own nation, you are building up yourself as well. Is that really a negative?

I think a large majority of us would say that being selfless is not a negative trait, unless taken to an extreme.

Hitler accomplished some amazing things, but as the old saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Hitler gained absolute power.....eventually. It was not an overnight transformation. He did not wake up one morning to have full control of Germany, he gained that control incrementally


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He was responsible for the death of may innocent and some have the nerve to consider him a good politician. Smh, not a good look very sad imagine if you were in his doom camps of testing and research and you had to see your children snatched away from you knowing you would never see them again, just so they could be used as test subjects.... Hitler is one snack that shall be eaten slow for his deeds CAREFULL WHAT YOUR MINDS ARE TRANSMITTING

And yes I understand his broadcast were sent early and may have confused many of what a leader was HE IS NOT A LEADER HE WAS A POWER THIEF...

SPITS ANTI MATTER IN HITLERS EYES FROM THIS PLAN TO HIS LETTING HIM KNOW ---WE DONT FORGET YOU---





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Originally posted by MrWendal
reply to post by dizzylizzy

 

Now your post to me highlights the confusion of people on this topic. Allow me to explain, we can look back now (as hindsight is 20/20) and say that anyone who craved so much adoration is not a good thing. However, Hitler did not start off craving so much adoration for himself. Most of what he did at the start of his regime was selfless. It was all about building up your own country. Not Hitler himself, but the nation of Germany. In building up your own nation, you are building up yourself as well. Is that really a negative?

I think a large majority of us would say that being selfless is not a negative trait, unless taken to an extreme.

Hitler accomplished some amazing things, but as the old saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Hitler gained absolute power.....eventually. It was not an overnight transformation. He did not wake up one morning to have full control of Germany, he gained that control incrementally


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well said as i think some people are missing the point i was trying to make. Hitler is also suppose to have said, let history be the judge of me, and not all he did was evil. Our education system and media has made him out to be this way, but as all of us here know, both our education system and media tend to be a bit one sided

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
reply to post by cosmo740

 

He was responsible for the death of may innocent and some have the nerve to consider him a good politician. Smh, not a good look very sad imagine if you were in his doom camps of testing and research and you had to see you children snatched away from you knowing you would never see them again, just so they could be used as test subjects.... Hitler is on snack that shall be eaten slow for his deeds CAREFULL WHAT YOUR MINDS ARE TRANSMITTING

And yes I understand his broadcast were sent early and may have confused many of what a leader was HE IS NOT A LEADER HE WAS A POWER THIEF...

SPITS ANTI MATTER IN HITLERS EYES FROM THIS PLAN TO HIS LETTING HIM KNOW ---WE DONT FORGET YOU---

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right, as i have said, i am asking ATS if they would have voted the Nazi's to power in the 30's, before any of the atrocities were commited. Not after! We know what evil was done after, i was asking whether or not before this would you have voted for them. I was wanting to show how an evil dictator can become leader, not agree with what he or the Nazi's done.

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The nazi's were facists the complete opposite to socialst

No, that is not right

fascism contains elements of both left and right ideology

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
reply to post by cosmo740

 

He was responsible for the death of may innocent and some have the nerve to consider him a good politician. Smh, not a good look very sad imagine if you were in his doom camps of testing and research and you had to see you children snatched away from you knowing you would never see them again, just so they could be used as test subjects.... Hitler is on snack that shall be eaten slow for his deeds CAREFULL WHAT YOUR MINDS ARE TRANSMITTING

And yes I understand his broadcast were sent early and may have confused many of what a leader was HE IS NOT A LEADER HE WAS A POWER THIEF...

SPITS ANTI MATTER IN HITLERS EYES FROM THIS PLAN TO HIS LETTING HIM KNOW ---WE DONT FORGET YOU---

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Hitler was not elected Chancellor and the very next day began kidnapping Jews, Gypsies, and other people deemed "undesirable" by the State and toss them into Death Camps.

It all happened in stages. Just a little piece at a time. By the time people were being sent to camps, full control and power was already given to the State... now please notice my choice of words there, THE STATE. Not to Adolf Hitler, although Hitler eventually became the state. Once full control was given to the State, and Hitler then gained full control, the people were left with no rights and helpless to do anything to stop the State when they began placing people into camps.

In my opinion it is much like the USA of today. Slowly as a nation we are giving full power to the Federal Government (ie The State) and once the Federal Government has all the power, you better look out. That is when the other shoe will drop, that is what history has taught us.

Getting back to topic... had the German people not surrendered all power to the State, they would have had legal recourse and precedent to fight Hitler. I have no doubt that if the German people had any rights at all left by the time Hitler was placing people into camps, you would have seen a revolution in Germany. Sadly that was not to be, because the people of Germany did surrender all their rights and full power to the State, they were left helpless to stop what was to come.

It takes a cynical mind in order to do what that man did, so no. I wouldn't vote for that guy.

My vote would have been a NO.

But at the time if you weren't voting for the National Socialists then you weren't being patriotic.

An Interesting post for many of the ideals that lead to Hitler's popularity are very similar to what we are facing today in the US.

I think that people don't realize how similar we are in our Nationalistic views, our support for the military and all of our patriotic rhetoric, how similar we really are.

Simply Dig up some of the Nazi propaganda films from WW2 and see for yourself.

Look at the similarities>

9/11 Blamed on Terrorists - Reichstag Fire , blamed on the Communists.

War On Terror Invasion of Aghanistan - Invasion of Russia - home of the Communists.

Jews targeted for removal - Illegal Aliens targeted for deportation.


So Hitler steals the presidency after the "Tragic" terror attack, the Reichstag Fire.....where their Capital building in essence had been burnt down and subsequently blamed on the Terrorists....Ahem, I mean Communists.

This is how Hitler gained more support leading not only control of all of Germany but also what lead to the formation of the Gestapo, akin to our DHS.

As well as the mililtary invasion of Poland based upon the use of a false flag event as well I might add.

I am one of the few here who actually had grandparents, as well as my Father, who born in 1936, experienced all of this in Germany during Nazism.

I am grateful for having discussed at length all the details with my Grandparents of their wartime experiences, individually, and learning everything I could about the war and what went on.

Also as to why I am so adamantly against war.

I would also like to point of out that not ALL Germans were Nazis, as my Grandparents were very much aware of what Hitler's aims were, and that meant providing jobs to everyone at the expense of and in support of another World War.

If you wern't a Party Member, then you didn't get/receive all of the benefits.
My Grandparents decided to make that Sacrifice.

My Grandfather being of age and drafted, went to the Russian front as a member of the Wehrmacht as a Military Policeman for a Tank division, on his BMW Motorcycle.

Which fortunately for him ended up saving his life and surviving the war.

My Grandmother actually (being a jewelry maker) made Iron crosses, used to decorate those German Soldiers for valor ...."for the German cause" as it was said.

So everyone did have a job once again, albeit for the cause of war.
Which is what frightens me when I hear people complaining about Obama needing to provide more Jobs to Americans.

For He most certainly can provide us ALL jobs but at what cost ?

World War III ?

This is what really frightens me about all of this in actuality and just how similar it all sounds to what my Grandparents had conveyed to me about Nazi Germany.

I could go on but....I will leave out the gory details of how most of our extended family members perished in air raids.

My grandfather survived a winter year by eating grass in a US POW camp. He also mentioned how no one was over weight there !


Or how the Jewish neighbors after a visit by the Gestapo one evening, simply vanished ....doors of their flat left open, all of their belongs left intact, never to be seen again.

Which seques into our current Illegal Alien situation.

Is the legislation passed recently about seeking out Illegals inevitably leading to the travel papers required by the Nazis during WW2 Germany ?

I really do oftentimes wonder.

For If many of us adamant flag wavers talking of rounding up Illegals and deporting them would have voted for Adolph ?

Because if you simply replace the word "Jews" with "Illegals", I feel as though many of them would.




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umm kayyy
2nd

Hitler was already showing his anti-Semitism in Mein Kampf so, no, I would not have voted for him.

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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
Hitler was already showing his anti-Semitism in Mein Kampf so, no, I would not have voted for him.

that is actually a good point. But then, when he made out the sole reason Germany was in the economic way it was, he could always hold up his book and say, see, told you ages ago.

I just cannot believe anyone would of voted for ms adolf lol. Anyway who cares ms adolf is satans whore now so I wouldnt give a care till its time to eliminate his soul presence from the other side. Vote for Hitler. He aint even like girls.

Germany has been left bankrupt and broken after the first world war. Germany was the only country held responsible for WW! yet I remember "The axes of evil" existed as an alliance, Austria and Turkey. If I remember correct. Modern day Austria is just a shadow of what it used to be. ( Well... at least in size...)

The treaty of Versaille did not only demanded the German people to pay for the damage... The biggest industrialized region of Germany was also occupied, leaving the Germans with a punishment while being robbed of the means to actually pay up.

The public had nothing and lived in poverty. People were depressed and angry and above it all the old elite, those that were in power when the first world war started were doing great.

Hitler was a talented speaker and a brilliant leader. He is the only leader on earth that accomplished a total change. YES ! HE DID !.

The treaty of Versaille also prohibited Germany to have a military force and airforce.

Hitler has came in to power from 1933 and succeeded in creating a Germany for the people,One nation with common goals. He is responsible for the infrastructure we see today. He kept his promises and created job. With those jobs he build a new super power from a third world country in less then a decade...
He offered hope and actually delivered it, as promised. Charismatic... great orator, a man that kept his word and a spine to stand up to the allied nations.

He basically wiped his ass with the treaty of Versaille and he took back the Ruhr territory. He was a national hero.

He did commit crimes of unimaginable size... But I can assure you that the allied forces were behaving just as bad. The genocide on six million Jews is nothing more then a tiny drop compared the numbers that got killed by the hands and decisions of the other leaders back then.

Unfortunately the winners get to write history...

One of his speeches :

( With English subtitles )

Knowing how it turned out.... Of course not.

However, when you're living in a country that is depressed and along comes a leader who says things that people want to here, it's easy to see why he came to power.

He didn't start off saying he was going to murder all the Jews.

So, I'd like to think that I would have seen the writing on the wall but perhaps he would have pulled the wool over my eyes as well.

Interesting post.

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He did not start off saying he would murder Jews, but he did discuss his "25 points" which specified that Jews would not be considered citizens, and that all all immigrants would be kicked out of Germany.
The writing was on the wall.
www.historyplace.com...

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fair enough
2nd

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Someone could just as easily make that connection anywhere (like in western democracy) that being a productive member of society is valued. The Capitalist attempt to falsely recreate this idea in the minds of the people is called "the trickle down" theory. Sorry but in my opinion, to say National Socialism is like Communism is just wrong, unless you count the fact that they are both social organization stratigies that involve humans (they are alike in that way). Serioulsy, read the Communist Manifesto, there is no "State" in the final stage since all government is meant to be decentralized to grass roots committees.

Back on topic, no I wouldn't have voted for Hitler because leaders (and people) that get carried away with their emotions tend to make irrational decisions.