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Would you have voted for Hitler?

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posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 12:53 PM
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Now before I begin, I and everyone else knows that the slaughter of innocent human beings simply due to faith is an abomination so lets not bring up the Holocaust. It is one of the worst atrocities in recent human history and in no way does this thread justify any of that and this thread is not about that. Now, let me begin.

We all know about the Nazism. For those of you that aren’t completely sure of what their agenda and ideology was, here is a brief outline:

Nazism was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany. It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and anti-Semitism. Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.
The Nazis believed in the supremacy of an Aryan master race and claimed that Germans represent the most pure Aryan nation. They argued that Germany's survival as a modern great nation required it to create a New Order — an empire in Europe that would give the German nation the necessary land mass, resources, and expansion of population needed to be able to economically and militarily compete with other powers. (Source: wiki)

So we know they blamed the Jews, but for what?

During the time of the Nazi’s rise to power, Germany was in an economic depression worse than today, and with a population just larger than the UK, it had 3 million unemployed people. So, just like today, when a country is in crisis and people can’t find work, they usually blame the immigrants or some other minority group. Nothing new there.

So Hitler said to the people, vote for me, and I will get you jobs and get rid of those who don’t belong. Just one question: if you had been made unemployed, everyone around you was unemployed, would you vote for a politician that promised jobs at the expense of a small minority? The answer is more than likely yes. If you had a family to feed, you certainly would.

Also, Hitler was angry with the Treaty of Versailles, which most Germans at the time were too. This treaty made it so the Germans accepted responsibility for World War 1, and restricted their ability to raise an army or navy. Hitler promised the people of Germany that they had rights just as any nation and he would seek to abolish the treaty. Again, you would vote for him if you were a German of the time.

So we see how he got into power, right?

Once in power, what good did the Nazi’s do for the people of Germany, or at least the ones they deemed to be German citizens? Well Hitler said : The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

Simply put, you do anything in the community to offend the state, you will be punished. Crime rates fell dramatically. No drunken louts smashing windows in the street, unlike today in the UK where this is now common in every small town and large city throughout the entire country every weekend. Hitler delivered on his promise to get jobs for the citizens, cleaned up their act, brought pride back to a nation and got the economy on track. Take away the fact he killed millions of innocent Jews and started World War 2 and Nazi Germany wasn’t all that bad.

What do others here think about this? Please don’t start calling me a Nazi or say I’m in any way shape or form a racist, as I am not. I just wondered what people think. Would you have voted Nazi if you had been in Germany in the 1930’s? I see a lot of Americans on ATS against immigration, would you have felt the same way about Jewish people back then too? Would be interesting to see others opinions on this small matter. This is also my first post, so be kind




posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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I wouldn't vote for anyone or anything unless the vote could be retracted later on.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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Vote for national socialism...No way


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posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Pockets
Vote for national socialism...No way


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So you dont agree with socialism? do you prefer capatalism? consumerism, communism? which one do you prefer? Just asking, not being rude or nothing



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by thedarktower
Nazism was a far right form of politics.


Nazism was actually a name for National Socialism, well regraded as a 'left' political party rather than a right then as it is now also.


Originally posted by thedarktower
Take away the fact he killed millions of innocent Jews and started World War 2 and Nazi Germany wasn’t all that bad.


Quite the fact to take away before finding him (Hitler) not all bad.


Originally posted by thedarktower
I see a lot of Americans on ATS against immigration, would you have felt the same way about Jewish people back then too?


Without a doubt. Pre WWII Germans had to carry barrowloads of notes to a bakers for a loaf of bread. The great depression of 1928 had taken a huge toal on them and there was little going on outwith being more indebted to those who apparently did little by the way of hard labour (Seemingly, to the great unwashed, the Jewish people). By way of trying to re-establish order the people voted for Adolf Hitler - who promised social reform and a better standard of living for all. This meant stopping money flowing from Germany (To the US funnily) and re-establishing an infrastructure that would keep the Tauton people strong.

It's an interesting premise - one which went off the rails when it came to killing people of a certain religious belief (Jewish in this case). But one that still was sponsored by large companies such as Coca-Cola and Siemens, amongst many, due to the fact it may seemingly work.

Change Americans for shareholders and you are on to the money.

Oh, change shareholder for one who is indebted to another and you get back to the original WWII reasoning for war.

Real shame.

Remember - Neither a borrower or a lender be!

-m0r



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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I wouldn't have voted for him. I never vote for anyone anyway. I have a letter here that arrived this morning. A Voter Registration Form. It says in bold- you are required by law to give the information asked for in this form. I get these every year, and I've never filled one in. I don't think it matters who's in charge, the master plan will always go through anyway.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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It says a lot, that you can't ask a question and have a debate without having to put some sort of disclaimer at the start of the post for fear of possibly being branded a Nazi or anti-semite.

Would I have voted for Hitler?

Knowing what I know now, obviously not.

At the time possibly. If I was in dire straits and I felt he and his party were offering a life line and change for the better, then yes. But considering the anti-semitism and ideology, then no.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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From what I understand, Hitler didn't actually get voted in. There was a deal struck between the ruling party and trhe Nazis that made Hitler second in command. He then assumed power legally. In any case, many Germans had no idea about Hitler's philosophies at the time. He was very much a Progressive. He instituted gun control, for example, and said this made Germany more civilized. He instituted the Autobahns as a public works progress, encouraged the Volkswagen (The people's car), and exploited German patriotism and seething resentment that had been imposed on Germany after WW I.

There are SOME similiarities between Hitler and today, but I think it would be a mistake to try to make a direct comparison. Hitler was a Progressive very much like today's progressives, calling for 'hope & change," and he also used race baiting blaming the Jews as the present progressives blame Caucasians. He also had a gift for oratory, though he did not need a teleprompter. But he was also nationalistic as today's progressives are anything but, and nationalism was a key component of Germans' acceptance of him. It was a 'rally around the flag' kind of movement. Without that aspect I do not think Hitler would have been successful so this is where any analog to today falls apart.

I think that if Hitler were to run for office today, without the Nazi swastika, and without people even suspecting the path to the Holocaust and German's destruction, that he would be a very attractive progressive candidate today.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Kram09
It says a lot, that you can't ask a question and have a debate without having to put some sort of disclaimer at the start of the post for fear of possibly being branded a Nazi or anti-semite.

Would I have voted for Hitler?

Knowing what I know now, obviously not.

At the time possibly. If I was in dire straits and I felt he and his party were offering a life line and change for the better, then yes. But considering the anti-semitism and ideology, then no.


I just didnt want to get loads of people saying im a racist, seen it happen and things do get taken out of context. Ofcourse knowing what you do now you wouldn't vote for his party, as most rational people wouldnt, but i was saying if you had been a German before all this would you? You said yes, and i would probably have done the same. Just makes you realise how a fanatic can come to power, when economic are bad, people do tend to turn a bit racist, then in walks someone who agrees with you and promises to get rid of the problem. Doubt most Germans thought he would actually gas 6 million people though

[edit on 11-8-2010 by thedarktower]



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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Good post. I think many would have. I on the other hand would not. Anytime someone preaches big government to solve our problems, I'm not only against it, I'm trying to figure out a way to stop it.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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"I wouldn't vote for anyone or anything unless the vote could be retracted later on. "

So therefore you don't vote?



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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"Vote for national socialism...No way"

You voted for McCaine?



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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its also funny how Hitler hated Marxism, yet some of the ideal were similar in a way.

I once read a book about Heinrich Himmler, leader of the SS. He and others in the Nazi party, believed with their souls that they really did decend from the Ayrans of northern Europe, and that all nations, no matter what colour or religion, was influenced by them. He even sent biologist to the middle east and far east, and they came back saying that those who were in a position of power or royality had more white Ayran features than the average guy on the street. It seems now like complete madness, but they manipulated scientific proof to "support" their theories. This would then be put in the MSM, furthering the belief amoung the Germans that it was all true

[edit on 11-8-2010 by thedarktower]



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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Nope. Haven't voted since my first time being able to vote which was some years ago now. The South Park Douche and a Turd episode sums up my view on politics.

Here's a thread I started on the rise of a Neo Nazi movement in Mongolia;

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Some really good points by silent thunder.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:40 PM
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Say what you like about Hitler but he was a great public speaker



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:40 PM
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If you voted for Obama or Bush, you bet you would have voted for Hitler. He was so popular that he even had followers in the US. I have a Nazi flag from meetings they had in Texas. He had some great ideas, also some really bad ones. Funny how we forget the good parts of evil people. I would have voted for Saddam if he was running against Bush or Obama. It turns out he was a good guy and all that stuff they said about him was a lie.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:44 PM
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I really do not know - hope that i would have not though, naturally.. However with all the numerous serious problems in 1930s Germany ,only 44 percent of Germans voted for his party.
So majority of Germans never voted him into power. Again,despite grim situation and Hitler's numerous populist promises.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by On the level
Say what you like about Hitler but he was a great public speaker


that is true, my history teacher in college said he was a very charismatic person, along with a number of Nazi members.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:46 PM
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Most people in America don't like voting for people with mustaches. Beards, maybe, although we haven't had a President with a beard in a long time, either. People are funny that way.

Otherwise, most people wouldn't know national socialism if it bit them on the leg.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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if you do your history search "Hitler and coming to power" you will find most people did not have a choice in the matter if they did not show up and wave of give the zig hile salute, you were beating , if they owned a store or shops they were burned or trashed windows broken doors kicked i, merchandise destroyed, and of course this was blamed on thugs if you vote for "my fuhrer" this will all stop. and this was before that hate of jews.



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