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reply posted on 26-4-2011 @ 12:55 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by wheeliegal

Say what you like 'wheeliegal,' but nothing has changed. Pye's still got his hand out for more money and (gosh!), the *proof* is just around the corner....as usual.

One difference is the numbers he's after this time.

$7 million



Think big Lloyd and aim for the stars! You've got testicles the size of a VW Camper going for the big money like that


reply posted on 26-4-2011 @ 07:43 AM by MainLineThis
reply to post by Harte



EXACTLY. Morons like this, praying on the ignorant that overly populate this subject is why we are never to be taken seriously. I was hoping back in the day that modern education would move this subject forward, but then then modern family came into place, ruining the ability of schools to teach like some of us were able to experience, and now we have idiots the believe the most tin-foil hat things ever. All the while allowing the real tin-foil hat things to hide in plain public.



reply posted on 2-6-2011 @ 07:24 AM by seenitall
reply to post by Harte



mtDNA can be differentiated from what people consider to be the normal human genome. If memory serves me correctly, it is a remnant of a endosymbiotic bacteria that contains genes essential to mitochondrial functions within a cell.

It does not recombine when a child is conceived, and is passed down the maternal line.

I'm not saying this is definetely real, but the science adds up.

To add: It is only made up of around 16,500 base pairs. So 800-1200 is an absolutely HUGE difference.

They have the science right, but I guess you have to question whether the data is actually real.
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reply posted on 2-6-2011 @ 07:30 AM by seenitall
reply to post by OldCorp



mtDNA has nothing to with nuclear DNA in our chromosomes. It is separate.

Which translates to: The mother was not human if this data is not actually fabricated.

I don't actually know much about this whole case, however the people need to send samples out to universities for independent analysis. Somehow I don't think this will happen as it is probably just made up data.
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reply posted on 2-6-2011 @ 07:35 AM by seenitall
reply to post by skem64



Incredibly unlikely for mtDNA.

It would almost definetely be a human male impregnating a female of a VERY different species.

Again, the data is probably just made up though, and there is no way to tell without completely independent analysis.


reply posted on 2-6-2011 @ 07:47 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by seenitall

The last analysis that Pye was willing to identify was by Dr David Sweet (a director of dentistry and expert witness in trials) way back somewhere in 1999 iirc. In those analyses, Sweet identified x and y chromosomes that showed the kid had human parents on both sides.

Isn't the rest just smoke and mirrors to keep the hoax going?

Pye has dismissed those findings and ranted about his persecution ever since. I recommend reading some of his articles around the web or watching his 'science is wrong' presentations in front of 20 old folk at retirement homes. It isn't simply his insistence that he's right about the skull (everyone else is 'exactly wrong'), it's his whole outlook on life that proves he's either a knowing fraudster or a man without any critical faculties.

If you watch his 'science is wrong,' he's read enough science to misinterpret to his advantage. This, to me, is further evidence that Pye is a knowing fraudster...deliberate and manipulative.



reply posted on 2-6-2011 @ 07:56 AM by seenitall
reply to post by Kandinsky



Thats fair enough then, the data is fabricated by a known fraud.

I just wanted to make the point that there is a clear distinction between mtDNA and nuclear DNA (which is bundled into our chromosomes). I guess you could expect the Y chromosome to be quite human, but the X at least partically different if the mtDNA is meant to be so unique.

Having a 4.8 - 7.5 difference in mtDNA could not be explainable by anything close to what is considered normal, and by this I mean virtually impossible.

I realise that this is so close to definetely a hoax it is not funny, however mtDNA would be one of the best ways to prove an alien lineage (provided the 'alien' was the mother). These people have probably just consulted with a few who are educated in the field.
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reply posted on 4-6-2011 @ 04:01 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by Daisy-Lola

Around April/May last year, I offered a bet with two ATS members that Pye would still be making empty promises and here we are. The bet originally went until Christmas 2010 and I offered an extension to July 2011.

One was for £50 and the other for a comedy avatar penalty. Neither took the bets...I wonder why?

You are right about the length of time it takes to get DNA tests done. The cryptozoologists manage to send off hairs of orang pendeks and 'skunk ape' spoor without problem. Paternity tests are done by mail-order and crooks are getting locked away 30 years after the crime for saliva on cigarette butts. We've analysed the genomes of species in the 20 years he's been hustling and here he is still.... 'waiting for the results' and 'give me your money.'

The core truth of this case is that the DNA tests are deflections and red-herrings. People are focused on the tests when they should focus on the skull being shown to be human in the 90s. It's a long-term hustle.

He'll still be doing it next year with a free pass from ATS!


reply posted on 6-6-2011 @ 10:44 AM by Harte
Originally posted by seenitall
reply to
post by Harte



mtDNA can be differentiated from what people consider to be the normal human genome. If memory serves me correctly, it is a remnant of a endosymbiotic bacteria that contains genes essential to mitochondrial functions within a cell.

It does not recombine when a child is conceived, and is passed down the maternal line.

I'm not saying this is definetely real, but the science adds up.

To add: It is only made up of around 16,500 base pairs. So 800-1200 is an absolutely HUGE difference.

They have the science right, but I guess you have to question whether the data is actually real.


The child's mother is known to be haplogroup C:

DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD, a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes".[8] Further DNA testing at Trace Genetics, which specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, in 2003 recovered mitochondrial DNA from both skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C. Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited exclusively from the mother, it makes it possible to trace the offspring's maternal lineage. The DNA test therefore confirmed that the child's mother was a Haplogroup C human female. However, the adult female found with the child belonged to haplogroup A. Both haplotypes are characteristic Native American haplogroups, but the different haplogroup for each skull indicates that the adult female was not the child's mother.[1]

Source

Pye claims a lot of variation for his mtDNA sample from the child. However, it apparently wasn't enough to prevent identification of a common haplogroup.

Harte
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