Google CEO Schmidt: No Anonymity Is The Future Of Web

Glad to see most everyone here on this thread glossed right over this post.

Maybe we do really need Net Nannies and Big Brothers to tell us what to read, understand, and comprehend because apparently we are doing a piss poor job of it on our own.

so we can look forward to google's algorithms being made open source then?

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It more or less covers everything i have read.

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It does get down to the bottom line, we need to have the Patriot Act repealed.

It was a ridiculous thing to begin with, and the fact that we tolerate its continued imposition on us says a lot about us as a nation.

It really needs to go. And we need to make it happen.

hey guys

i thought this was relevent information:

en.wikipedia.org...

everytime you use you credit/debit card it can be tracked: by the government, if you were on the run the best thing you can do is pay for everything in cash... stay away from cards, and turn off your cell phone...

you can be tracked by everything you do, there is no more privacy for you and your sending/ surfing/ traffic habits... you are captured by pin numbers, (purchases) triangulation from cell phone towers, and by your licesne plate on your car... there are cameras on light poles and cameras in every business...

even your bank knows you online transactions, and everything is moving toward smaller devices provided by the phone companies... on their monitored network...

the hacking gurus need to distribute their information for the masses on how to stay in control of the greastest invention man has ever made " THE INTERNET"....

I for one have using firefox addon's to protect me from things like this for a while now. I recommend the following.

AdBlock plus addons.mozilla.org...

NoScript addons.mozilla.org...

Torbutton addons.mozilla.org...

Targeted Advertising Cookie Opt-Out (TACO) addons.mozilla.org...


using these plugins greatly helps reduce sites from gathering info on me. NoScript disables _javascript and flash unless you allow it from the site, I never unblock google adsense and other things from them. Torbutton just enables tor easily. TACO blocks flash based tracking cookies this is very nice.
Adblock you don't really need, I just don't trust adnetworks at all many people have been setting up fake companies and getting adnetworks to unwilling help distribute malware. Using these addons are very much worth the effort of setting up and configuring. It does not take that much work to do.

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I have been using Bing for a year now and I gotta say I really enjoy the master work photography of each days page. Some of them are just breathtaking. . . if-your-into-photography-that-is.


David Grouchy

Thanks for the thread OP. Not enough people are keeping a close eye on Google's various nefarious activities. See here to learn more about the Techonomy conference where he said that:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by SupremeKnowledge
LMAO @ no anonymity
Google must have lost their minds!!!!

I think google needs to remember that we built the internet;
Google is just a leech, a simple search engine, nothing more;

Actually DARPA, the NSF and the military built the Internet.

And Google was funded by DARPA, NASA, NSF and the CIA. They're fully integrated into NASA and the NSA.

They're a key element in the AGI Manhattan Project. They're bent on building Strong AI, like you see in the movies.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And corporations like Yahoo or Microsoft are no different, they're just not as good at. Their dreams of fascist federal integrations, spying and building AGI are no different than Google's.

[edit on 10-8-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Gotta love Schimidt, the hypocrite.

Originally posted by Fiverz
Glad to see most everyone here on this thread glossed right over this post.

Maybe we do really need Net Nannies and Big Brothers to tell us what to read, understand, and comprehend because apparently we are doing a piss poor job of it on our own.

You need to calm down, some of us read that post and went on discussing whether anonymity online is a good thing. If you had read the thread in full you would realise that it's gone beyond the initial posting.

I thought there was no such thing as anonymity after 8 years of the Bush Administration.

Am I missing something here? Did I get a different memo?

I mean that is why I have been surfing to the sites I have been surfing to and saying the things I have said for the last 8 years. To be of assistance in creating a construct of my soul.

I mean, I want to be helpful as helpful as I can be.

Please tell me I haven't been working on this for 8 years for nothing.

[edit on 10-8-2010 by superluminal11]

This is basically another example of how nobody on ATS bothers to do ANY FURTHER READING AND OR RESEARCH INTO THE ARTICLE POSTED.

5 Pages of a bunch of people complaining about nothing.

See THIS?

Google CEO Eric Schmidt says privacy isn't important, and if you want to keep something private, "maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place" (in other words, "innocent people have nothing to hide.")

He didn't say anything in bold. He didn't even say the final quote, which is used as an "everyday type expression" general quote. It's all taken complete out of context. The above means about as much as:

Google CEO Eric Schmidt says underwear and private showers are not important, God didn't create any of it. Humans are supposed to bathe in swamps and oceans, but if you use a private shower, "maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place" (in other words, "You are all child molesters if you take private showers and are going to burn in hell.")

The ironic part is this is a text based forum, yet it seems about 85% of the people lack the reading comprehension of an 8th grader.

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Oh?

Google CEO Eric Schmidt spoke on a panel at Techonomy today and offered some juicy facts and perspective worth taking note of.
Schmidt emphasized that much of that data explosion is attributable to the rise of user generated content. With that data comes powerful new analytic possibilities.

"If I look at enough of your messaging and your location, and use Artificial Intelligence," Schmidt said, "we can predict where you are going to go."

"Show us 14 photos of yourself and we can identify who you are. You think you don't have 14 photos of yourself on the internet? You've got Facebook photos! People will find it's very useful to have devices that remember what you want to do, because you forgot...But society isn't ready for questions that will be raised as result of user-generated content."

On Anti-Social Behavior and Data

"The only way to manage this is true transparency and no anonymity," Schmidt said. "In a world of asynchronous threats, it is too dangerous for there not to be some way to identify you. We need a [verified] name service for people. Governments will demand it."
techonomy.typepad.com...

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Another person who picks on the members without reaslising that many of them are now discussing the idea of internet anonymity and have pretty much disregarded the opening post. Privacy and anonymity on the internet is slowly being erroded and i don't think that discussing the issue means people don't read anything.

Maybe you should read back and see that many people haven't even mentioned the opening post, they have merely voiced their concerns about privacy online.

This is a wonderful video on this isssue, I have no idea of its orgins tho,

Enjoy

www.youtube.com...

Schmidt may well be correct in his assertion that the governments of the world will not tolerate or allow anonymity on the internet indefinitely. What Schmidt fails to acknowledge and perhaps fails to to perceive entirely is that once the option of total anonymity is no longer available, ID theft, impersonation, use of aliases and fictional identities, etc. will become the norm... Folks aren't going to stop watching porn, gambling, or reading controversial content just because *some* ID must be associated with one's browser session or MAC/IP address or whatever. They will simply use *someone else's* ID for activities they'd prefer not to be associated with pulbicly.

Even if biometric input such as retinal scans or voiceprinting is required for positive ID... it's all going to be turned into electrical signals before any processing and authentication takes place. People will just learn to falsify the electrical signal from the input devices (and make a killing for doing so) so it looks like that SOB two offices down the hall was the one browsing job sites on the clock, or checking out furry pr0n.

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CALEA is old news, but good old John and Jane Sixpack usually fall into one of two categories with this sort of thing in my experience:

A) Always have been distrustful of authority figures and take for granted that the authorities are going to do whatever the # they want when crunch time comes.... being watched and documented at all times isn't a surprise

b) never gave a second thought to the idea that their computers are set up to log just about any significant change in user or device state, and connected via the Internet to millions of other computers and routers with similar features.... Never mind that the cops can pretty much just ask to look at the logs pertaining to their own activity and the ISP will comply no questions asked1.

Any centralized concept is a bad one, it grows too big and gets corrupted. Look at the world governments. The solution is to decentralize everything and put the power and responsibilities in the people's hands.

If you want a real alternative with an actual sane future in mind check out;

secure.wikimedia.org...
yacy.net...

This search engine is completely decentralized and is ran and built by you the user through a p2p like network. This is the kind of solutions the masses need, not some corporate cake that's filled with poison.

there will always be anonymity just as there is security. if you say there is security and anonymity you are not as educated as you would like to be. these things do not exist.neither of them do.this depends on a wide variety of factors but still... we are pirates, we are tinkers,we are diy's, we think.. we do, we do with what we have to have/do more.

if its broken, we fix it. there is no such thing as control to those that need none. so provide for your self and others. i strive to be self sufficient. you can too. in doing so, i have flipped the finger at most of those that wish to control us. dont like energy companies, be your own. dont like to pay for water and disposal? catch and filter.. burn your own or dont.. just toss it. so what?

dont like to be censored but love the consortium.. grab an antenna or two. dont like internet censorship? create your own internet. will they fight you and jam you? yes. then what? to what end will you fight to say im free?

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Originally posted by SupremeKnowledge
LMAO @ no anonymity
Google must have lost their minds!!!!

The only reason google is the top site is because everyone has their homepage set as google;
so every time we open our browsers google pops up;
Its not like google controls the internet;

We have Bing from Microsoft who arent actually power hungry like verizon and google,
Theres also Yahoo and countless other search engines

If Google doesnt get off their high horse and stop acting pompous and treating their users like inferiors then we WILL find another search engine provider....


Are you talking about the internet service provider called "America Online"?
Last I heard; They went out of business...

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He didn't get to his current position and accumulation of wealth by being an idiot, and for you to think Google is "Just a search engine" shows just how ignorant you are about basics like how a web browser homepage is chosen in the first place and what products Google offers. AND, America Online is still very much in business. It owns Netscape, AIM, and other products. Seriously if you don't have a clue what you're talking about, then you'd be wise to just keep quiet and be "thought a fool than you open your mouth and remove all doubt." ..then your think your ID is "supremeknowledge"...

Web browsers have their homepages often automatically set if the Internet Explorer (Microsoft's browser) user is too stupid to know how to set it themselves (many are, and that's why they use IE in the first place). Other browsers allow you to choose, and people will choose the one that sounds more familiar often times...but I know people who use Yahoo's because they use Yahoo mail. There are people who still use AOL email, too.

As far as getting you up to speed a bit on what makes Google more than just a search engine, consider that Google owns or operates the following:

YouTube
GMail
Android OS for smartphones

and MANY other services, and they are acquiring smaller companies on a regular basis.

One of their strategies is on cloud computing, which is working and operating solely on the internet. For example, instead of saving actual files to your computer, you and coworkers can edit a document "in the cloud" and see one another's edits in real time over the internet. There is a huge advantage using this system since using actual files means uploading and downloading. And, Microsoft's Office system is VERY expensive, while Google's competitive cloud-based office suite is FREE. It's basic right now, but they are rolling out new features quickly.

Aside from this, Google is not the only company that is headed toward making the web less anonymous. Anyone who uses Facebook knows how extremely intrusive that social network is by itself. And, if you look online, very prominent / popular sites are now allowing "Login with your Facebook account" instead of registering for their site. This is very convenient but also eliminates your privacy: any comments you post reveal your real name (as used on Facebook). You don't HAVE to enter your real name on Facebook, but everyone does anyway because if you don't, nobody can find you or easily know who you are unless you explicitly tell them you switched your name.

If you want to be worried (and I'm sure you do), the more real imminent threat is Facebook. Google also has its own very eyebrow-raising systems in place such as GMail (never need to delete another email) and Google Voice (make all calls from the internet; send texts; all calls to your numbers are conveniently stored however deletable of course).