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US warship visits former foe Vietnam, China warns US to stay out of Yellow Sea

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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 04:53 AM
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US warship visits former foe Vietnam, China warns US to stay out of Yellow Sea


www.foxnews.com

A warship from the United States docked Tuesday in central Vietnam where the former foes planned to conduct navy training, in a sign of growing military ties amid new warnings from China for the U.S. to stay out of its backyard.

The USS John S. McCain's port call comes as the U.S. and Vietnam celebrate 15 years of normalized diplomatic relations following a bloody war that remains an open wound for many veterans. The two governments, while ideologically different, have embraced on a number of issues, including a recent stance against China's territorial claims over the South China Sea.

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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 04:53 AM
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Tensions are increasing for sure in this region and nobody is really talking about it.

The US proposed making a nuclear power plants deal with Vietnam, which angered China and Russia.

Not to mention China asserting more and more their control over the Yellow Sea... saying it's their territory...

And another article on ATS was talking about how the countries in Asia are arming themselves because they are afraid of China...

The more things change the more they stay the same. War in middle-east, builds up... now in Asia...

www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Vitchilo]



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 05:07 AM
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China needs to expand. They don't have the land or resources to continue their current population growth and the Chinese peoples want of all things western..

They are a sleeping giant..India is close...



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 11:18 AM
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Vietnam has a claim on the contested Spratly Islands, as does China and a few other countries.

These Islands are supposed to be rich in minerals, and have been a point of contention and friction between Asian countries for decades now.

China, having expanded its military for some years now, is becoming more assertive in the region. And the US is worried about it.

Well I wouldn't say worried, but they are aware of it. Military leaders have voiced their concerns, but the media doesn't pay too much attention to it.

The tensions are rising though.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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China wants to expand southward, and ancient play on lands they've always considered they're own. The US is simply popping in to help contain China.

I see it as the natural order of things. Nothing unforeseen. China wants to expand, US wants to keep control.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by CynicalM
reply to post by Vitchilo
 


China needs to expand. They don't have the land or resources to continue their current population growth and the Chinese peoples want of all things western..

They are a sleeping giant..India is close...


Looking at these maps, China has plenty of room to expand:

www.lib.utexas.edu...

4.bp.blogspot.com...

If China is looking to expand anything, it's their empire.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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Well it looks like the US will be sending a ship into the Yellow Sea for more war games in the next week or two. I just dont know exactly what China can do about it? I would think that if a country sank a US carrier that might invite a nuclear response....and unfortunately the US has enough nukes to cover every square in of China...many times over.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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when will people learn to leave well enough alone.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 12:33 PM
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China's in no position to tell the US to stay out of international waters. They have no deep water navy to speak of.

10 to 15 years from now may be a different story, but today, it's nothing but talk.

Vietnam and China are not the great neighbors one would think. As I recall, they had a border skirmish in the late 60's (during the Vietnam war) then a couple of naval exchanges in the 70's over a couple of different islands.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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its still no reason for americans to be there.
if they're told to leave whats stopping them?



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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More on the bloomberg website...

Chinese General Says U.S. Carrier in Yellow Sea May Result in Retaliation


A Chinese general said U.S. plans to send a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to the Yellow Sea may lead to retaliation from China, the biggest foreign holder of Treasuries.

"Imagine what the consequence will be if China’s biggest debtor nation challenges its creditor nation," Major General Luo Yuan, deputy secretary general of the People’s Liberation Army Academy of Military Sciences, wrote in an editorial today in the state-controlled English-language Global Times.

Yeah like they can...



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by hinky
China's in no position to tell the US to stay out of international waters. They have no deep water navy to speak of.

10 to 15 years from now may be a different story, but today, it's nothing but talk.

Vietnam and China are not the great neighbors one would think. As I recall, they had a border skirmish in the late 60's (during the Vietnam war) then a couple of naval exchanges in the 70's over a couple of different islands.


Are you sure about that? Also click on the source and scroll down. There is an Inventory of the current Chinese Navy


The People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN or PLA Navy) (simplified Chinese: 中国人民解放军海军; traditional Chinese: 中國人民解放軍海軍; pinyin: Zhōngguó Rénmín Jiěfàngjūn Hǎijūn) is the naval branch of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), the military of the People's Republic of China. Until the early 1990s, the navy performed a subordinate role to the PLA Land Forces. Since then, it has undergone rapid modernisation. It is currently the second largest naval service in the world after the United States Navy. With a personnel strength of over 250,000, the PLAN also includes the 35,000 strong Coastal Defense Force and the 56,000 man Naval infantry/Marines, plus a 56,000 PLAN Aviation naval air arm operating several hundred land-based aircraft and ship-based helicopters. As part of its overall program of naval modernization, the PLAN has a plan of developing a blue-water navy.[1]

Source

[edit on 10-8-2010 by DaMod]



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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Agreed. China's only power right now is economical and manufacturing, if they decided to use these against us then yes that could be damaging but it would also damage them to some degree.

Within the past decade and a half the US has built up their military to unbelievable levels, and no one wants to mess with it right now. But like hinky said, 10-15 years down the line it may be a different story.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:43 PM
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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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www.guardian.co.uk...
www.telegraph.co.uk...
www.fas.org...


China has a fleet of nuclear submarines. That seems like navy enough for me.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by DaMod


Are you sure about that? Also click on the source and scroll down. There is an Inventory of the current Chinese Navy


[edit on 10-8-2010 by DaMod]


Same source also says China has no blue water navy and plans to build one over the next 15 years. China is still a paper tiger on offense and juggernaught on defense.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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This might give you a better understanding of China's Naval capabilities:
Chinese Naval Modernization PDF
Quote:" Although China’s naval modernization effort has substantially improved China’s naval
capabilities in recent years, observers believe China’s navy continues to exhibit limitations or
weaknesses in several areas, including capabilities for sustained operations by larger formations
in distant waters, joint operations with other parts of China’s military, C4ISR systems, anti-air
warfare (AAW), antisubmarine warfare (ASW), MCM, and a dependence on foreign suppliers for
certain key ship components.8
The sufficiency of Chinese naval capabilities is best assessed against its intended missions.
Although China’s navy has limitations and weaknesses, it may nevertheless be sufficient for
performing certain missions of interest to Chinese leaders. As China’s navy reduces its
weaknesses and limitations, it may become sufficient to perform a wider array of potential
missions."
Quoted from above sourced article. And as a side note China would not sink a U.S. Carrier unless it was fully prepared and alert for a full-scale retaliation, and it would be a non-nuclear response. While politicians like to wave thier foam "We will Nuke you" fingers at other countries the reality for a nuclear response or strike, are very well defined, and strictly held to by the POTUS and the DOD.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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USA:

284 Warfare Ships
3,700 Aircraft (belong to Navy department)
71 Active Submariners
12 Aircraft Carrier (11 in service and 1 under construction)
2,468 Active Warheads, total 9,600 Warheads


China:

84 Warfare Ships
800 Aircraft (belong to Navy department)
58 Active Submariners
1 unfinished Aircraft Carrier from Russia
180 Active Warheads, total 240 Warheads

Before you claim that China have 1 billions population, they must have more ships to able use their populations as muscle leverage against USA. As we still speaking regarding to boundary in sea not on the land. Granted, China have more population than USA, but they can't do anything unless they can put their populations in the sea with ships.

The outcome, USA control the sea as of this moment. Bottom line, China need to be quiet and build more ships.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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but you can't trust public figures.
how many nukes does it take.
2468 is overkill, so is 180



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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Seriously what is happening worldwide? Is this a result from increasing tension and frustration over the Global economy? Is it that resources are peaking?

Things are not looking healthy



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