Could the starchild be ET? (new information)

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Originally posted by Kandinsky
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There's a member called 'squirrelnuts.' He fought long and hard on behalf of Lloyd Pye last year. E-mails from Pye etc. He argued everything you are thinking and eventually...months later...has accepted that Pye is dreaming.

Lloyd Pye insisted that he was a 'couple of weeks' away from amazing breakthroughs. Here we are, months later, still the same story. Go back 10 years and Pye was touting the same story. Although, I believe that Pye believes what he says, it's worth pointing out that the skull is central to him making a living. If he walks away from the skull, he's unemployed and likely skint. That little deformed skull is the only thing keeping Pye afloat in ufology.

Don't get me wrong, im not one of those types that believe in everything. Actually, i will not believe in ET being here unless i have 100% proof. I guess i posted this thread before actually looking into it in more detail. Yes, i understand about what you are saying about its his living, as he has dedicated ten years of his life to this skull. So i guess there is nothing more to say about the skull, unless he gets it tested again with new techneques, pref by the people who tested it before.

I highly doubt there would even be testable DNA in a skull that old, its a waste of time.

reply to post by Jay-morris

I guess i posted this thread before actually looking into it in more detail.

It's cool. It's what forums should be about. If we had to know everything before posting, who'd bother? You asked a question and people have tried to answer and explain a little. Fair game imo

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Is it even possible to DNA test something that old?

Hiya Chris. If you think about it, we've got the entire genome of neanderthal and those bad guys have been dead some 40000 years. Starchild skull has been DNA-tested. One of them was by Dr David Sweet...a forensic pathologist for NYPD if I remember rightly.

If you check out this link to a post I wrote last year...right here! There should be the lab report in there somewhere.

On the video stop at 3:17:
The narrator says, "when one of the teeth was extracted it was found to have heavy roots indicating it was an adult when it died."

I always wanted to hold out a little belief that this was a ancient alien but the above seems to be describing progeria.

Now play the video and stop again at 8:30ish?
Why does this guy need money if they've already found 342 genomes with no similarities? There is no way to find out if it is exactly alien b/c we do not have another alien to compare it with.
Also if you were to check the dna of a cave man, compared to the dna of a modern man there would still be inconsistencies.
I think they are kind of shooting in the dark here.

Yeah, like many ufo/ET cases, this is going nowhere i guess Still a very interesting skull but after more reading up on the case, i believe the skull is human.

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
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Jay-morris.....

This skull is a case of Progeria Sydnrome, as per my extensive commentary in both the Aliens & UFOs Forum & the Medical Forum.

Progeria Syndrome is extremely rare.

Here is a picture of a little fellow called Ashley, who has the condition:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b7781aa14c38.jpg[/atsimg]

Here is some more info about Progeria Syndrome.

www.progeriaresearch.org...

en.wikipedia.org...


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Where/How do you find this stuff?

I can see how this guy could be mistaken for the stereotypical alien.

All this kid has to do is paint himself green and poof, instant Halloween costume.

The website says, " Progeria signs include growth failure, loss of body fat and hair, aged-looking skin, stiffness of joints, hip dislocation, generalized atherosclerosis, cardiovascular (heart) disease and stroke. "

But I don't see where the enlarged seemingly misshapen head comes from.

You know there are races of short alien looking people who lived years ago ( I forget where or what they were called) but I wonder if those and other sightings of "aliens" were really just humans with genetic disorders.

At least this is something the doubters can point to and say no aliens exist they were just human after all.. not proof mind you but a good scape goat.

Having done quite a bit of research over the years on this particular specimen from what has been available, the only conclusion I can come to is that if this is not an example of other than completely human origin, then this is an example of a disease or deformity which was previously unknown to science. I say this because from what I have read, the proposed deformities cannot account for the lack of frontal sinuses, nor the abnormal composition of the bone itself in my opinion.

While they cannot account for, I believe, some 200 base pairs of the dna or whence it came, thats not much to go on if you consider that human dna has some 3 billion base pairs...

Now what I personally would consider to be conclusive evidence to an et origin would be if when the genome is fully mapped it is shown to have significantly more or less base pairs than a normal human.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
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Jay-morris.....
This skull is a case of Progeria Sydnrome, as per my extensive commentary in both the Aliens & UFOs Forum & the Medical Forum.
Here is some more info about Progeria Syndrome.
www.progeriaresearch.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Where/How do you find this stuff?
I can see how this guy could be mistaken for the stereotypical alien.

JohnPhoenix.....

Where/How do you find this stuff?

I have strong clinical background & I run a large medical business that specialises in advanced medical technologies. If you are interested in that sort of thing, you might enjoy some of my threads in the Medical Forum wherein I discuss some of these technologies.

In this context, information pertaining to a condition such as Progeria Syndrome is not so "esoteric".

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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Originally posted by blood0fheroes
Having done quite a bit of research over the years on this particular specimen from what has been available, the only conclusion I can come to is that if this is not an example of other than completely human origin, then this is an example of a disease or deformity which was previously unknown to science. I say this because from what I have read, the proposed deformities cannot account for the lack of frontal sinuses, nor the abnormal composition of the bone itself in my opinion.

Blood0fheroes.....

If you review Progeria Syndrome in detail, you will find that all aspects of the "Starchild Skull" can be explained by Progeria Syndrome.

I note your mention of.....

- Lack of frontal sinuses

- Abnormal bone composition

.....which are consistent with Progeria Syndrome.

I also note the oft mentioned.....

- Large, shallow orbits

.....which are also consistent with Progeria Syndrome.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

I spoke with Pye at length at a conference a few years back. Yes, he seemed more interested in selling me a copy of his book than actually telling me what his positions in the book may be. As I faded back a bit to watch him do his work on others (still clutching my $25), I saw the same spiel repeated ad nauseum; "...it's all right here in my book; "...if you just read my book, the answers to your questions..."; "...my book is filled with evidence about...", yadda yadda yadda.

Quite unconvincing. It's amazing the different impression you get of people when they are speaking to you directly vs when they are speaking to others and you are observing from a distance.

The guy has an interesting story. Like vampires, Loch Ness, Bigfoot, the chupacabra, etc., etc. He likes telling his story, and hopes to keep food on the table by telling it often. You can definitely notice a weariness in his voice and manner when you cruise by every few hours to see how he's doing. It's got to be a drain.

At one conference I saw he actually took a page from the entertainment industry: he had an attractive woman, not sure who she was, doing the 'book-selling' in front of his booth, while he hovered in the background and tried to funnel passerby to her. She was actually doing quite well for him. I think in "the Biz" they call these girls "Booth-Twinkies". You see them at other conferences where there is mostly a lonely, male-geek audience. They'll buy anything in exchange for a smile from a pretty girl...

But an ET skull? Meh.

Maybe you guys should check out Pye's March 2010 interview on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory. Stay focused on the genetics of it all i.e. base pair sequences not found on earth. (comes in parts)
www.youtube.com...

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I am just wondering........Who is to say? Could it be that Progeria Syndrome is associated with alien experimentation?

I mean, I am not saying that people suffering from Progeria Syndrome are hybrids or something, but I see people here on ATS jumping to conclusions all the time when they have absolutely no facts to go on.

That includes people on both sides of the table.

I noticed that your posts are rational. Clearly, for the record, can you tell me which side of the table you are on?