reply to post by Tiger5
PS: The problem with socialists trying to explain socialism is that they cant admit their program is based on violence, which everyone knows is
wrong. Since political socialists guise their true intentions of control in moralism (concern for the poor, elderly, ect), and well intentioned
socialists believe the myth of their masters benevolent intent...
...Well none of them can admit that they must execute their plan from the safe side of a loaded gun. No one could possibly convince his neighbors of
his benevolence and good intentions if he were to rob them all at gunpoint while telling his bound victims that he will use the loot to fund a
souphouse. Especially if this were his fifth hood to rob and everyone knew he kept 70% of his ill gotten gain for himself and his cronies.
Only the foolish would think it was anything more than a shakedown if the local mafia beat the hell out of someone and then offered them protection
from further beatings, for a price of course. Every thinking person would know they werent giving up huge sums for anything other than fear.
And yet when the most successful organised crime faction, ie the 'government' does exactly these things, suddenly theres some unsigned yet equally
enforceable 'social contract' that somehow binds us from birth without so much as a nod from the contractee. Somehow this monopoly of violence is
allowed to extract 50, 60, 70, 90+% of our incomes. (when all taxes and fees are factored in, through each step in production, nevermind inflation)
Somehow this one group is permitted to pass hundreds of thousands of laws that intrude on our day to day lives with increasing frequency. This gang,
that we all are *forced* to pay for, engages in wreclkess spending, uneneding wars, unending handouts to select groups, and facilitates the free
market mutation of capitalism (voluntary exchange) into the plague that is corperatism (monopoly capitalism) that destroys the average man. And thats
just a short list that government intervention allows and demands.
But the deluded socialist is a moral man at core, like most of us. We have the same basic goal in mind. To live a good life. The problem arrises
because the sociopathic elite *know* we value this. They themselves, being cunning predators, have studied their prey and know our basic desires and
short comings. They know that, like wild hogs, if they gain our trust through fake benevolence that we can be made dependant and thus controllable.
Once controllable we are more easily conquerable and therefor more easily slaughterable.
Thus the modern welfare handout state was born. Suddenly governments existed to serve the people for the common good, and not to dominate the masses,
as even the common serf understood. Suddenly the socialist philosopher kings were born, whose theories were not subject to the human certainty to
become corrupt when trusted with power. Certainly these lofty minded idealists aimed at the good of the common man, and not their own empowerment, as
every other human did before. To give all the power necessary to the men with guns becomes the only solution to problems when you believe the men
with guns are just.
So since most socialists will tell you that they support their system because it feeds the poor, helps the needy, redistibutes wealth for the better
prevents harmful business conditions ect, we can know that their argument is mainly a moral one, not to get into the practicality of such a scheme.
Since they actually are well intentioned people for the most part and abhor violence, they simply cannot accept that everything they 'vote' for,
advocate and submit to is based on VIOLENCE! Since we all know aggressive violence is wrong, we can also know that any moral system that *requires*
aggressive violence to operate is not a moral system at all, but instead a might = right scenario where the professed good intentions of the socialst,
or statist, simply cannot stand.
So in my long winded conclusion, I believe that those who advocate a just and eithical society, while condoning the exact opposite (initiation of
force)to achive their stated goals are in the exact opposite moral alignment vs that which they openly advocate. They want to make peace through war
and freedom through slavery. When exposed to the coersion in the system they support, the honest ones will reject violence in all its forms,
including the formally hidden violence of government. Most will retreat into doublethink, giving endless justifacations and outright denial in the
face of the truth - that the system that has raised them and has given them identity is indeed evil and based on that which they claim to oppose.
Its just plain nieve to think that a monopoly of violence can be given the exclusive rights to steal, counterfit, inprison and murder with basic
impunity, and not fall to corruption and thus turn on the well intentioned folks who allowed its monopoly in the first place. Thus coercive
socialism, which advocates *more* power for the monopoly = a big fat daddy fail, as we are witnessing today.