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how do the masons here on ats feel about the NWO?

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posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 08:07 AM
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Very correct. I'm not sure why so many brothers think they have to defend Masonry to this guy. Like I said before, Lodges generally do not reject petitioners without a good reason, and in this case, it looks like they had a good reason. As my dear old sainted pappy would have said, "Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!"




posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by driley
The great Torah scholar still doesn't reply to the central complaint of my post which is his ignorant association of the title "Knight of the Brazen Serpent" with paganism, when, in fact, the allusion is clearly to an event from the Hebrew Scriptures.

I think this says more than the several posts of pseudo-scholarly reply.


So because its an allusion to the Hebrew scirptures that makes it non pagan?

Do you know how gnostics interpret Torah? Did you know that Gnostics believe the Torah to be gnostic? and that todays Jews are some anomoly.

I know masonry bases itself primarely on Kabbalah and the Hebraic esoteric tradition. The problem with this is their twisted pagan interpretation of it. Their deluded insistance that it was written by gnostics; that its entirely allegorical. All of this of course is lies.

I dont need to justify this view. If you knew better, you would know that this is the case. CG Jung often analyzed biblical texts from a gnostic perspective (Aion lectures). As did Jakob Boehme (notice the gnostic dualism in his name Jacob = spiritual/jewish, Boehme from Hebrew Bohema which means animal). GRS Mead, Blavatsky, Samael Aen Weor, and im sure many more.

Their view of the Torah and their interpretation of it is not the same as the Orthodox Rabbis.

Thus, this mention of the 'brazen snake' should be understood in a pagan/gnostic context, as you probably already know.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
I know masonry bases itself primarely on Kabbalah and the Hebraic esoteric tradition. The problem with this is their twisted pagan interpretation of it. Their deluded insistance that it was written by gnostics; that its entirely allegorical. All this of course is lies.



You /know/ ththat Masonry bases itself primarely (sic) on these traditions? How do you know this? What evidence of this do you offer?

Your confidence in this matter is surprising, given that there is not wide-spread consensus on the matter among even Masonic philosophers and esoteric authors. True, there are those who would agree with you. There are more, however, who would find your ideas laughable.

The problem, as I have tried to explain repeatedly, is that Freemasonry is entirely non-dogmatic. It offers itself for the interpretation of the individual initiate. That means that, at best, I can tell you what the rituals of the Fraternity have meant to me. No author or authority whatsoever -- not Albert Pike, not the Master of my Lodge, not any author nor any Grand Master -- may tell anyone else what the true meaning of the Fraternity might be. They can only offer their experience and their opinion.

What, it seems to me, you crave is a system that provides you with all the answers in a simple package. If you have found it, then I wish you the best and hope it provides you with much happiness. However, don't make the mistake of assuming that Freemasonry is a similar package. Freemasonry, in its essence, simply encourages a man to consider ideas, to pose questions and to seek answers. It doesn't, really, provide those answers.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
Im criticing Masonry because i know a great deal about it. I know its main ethos is Gnosticism. Maybe not all masons are of this persuasion; hence, the varying degrees and levels and extramasonic bodies within the world of Freemasonry.


First we read the above. Being the nice guys we are, we give the benefit of the doubt. You do use big words and claim to be able to communicate in several languages.

Then we get this


For instance, the Tall cedars of lebanon is one such order that CLEARLY is involved in some sketchy things. 'Cedar of lebanon' is understood kabbalistically as a symbol for arrogance. Lavan in Hebrew means 'white' refering to purity, and specifically in reference to Jacobs corrupt sorceror uncle Lavan. One who considers himself a 'tall ceder' of Lebanon is one who regards his ways as perfect - in the sense that even his faults are in accord with the will of G-d. And so, this clearly refers to the egotism and self worship that epitomizes many streams of Hellenistic spirituality. gnosticism/neo platonism,hermeticism, sufism, sabbatean kabbalah etc.



did you just make a sweeping judgement of a masonic side order simply by the name of said order? really? Is that even remotely scholarly?

I would love to read some of your research papers.

"Burger King is demonic. Have you ever seen the King? He always has the same facial expression. He is up to something I tell ya!"

Next time you have a thought, just let it go.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by driley

Originally posted by dontreally
I know masonry bases itself primarely on Kabbalah and the Hebraic esoteric tradition. The problem with this is their twisted pagan interpretation of it. Their deluded insistance that it was written by gnostics; that its entirely allegorical. All this of course is lies.



The problem, as I have tried to explain repeatedly, is that Freemasonry is entirely non-dogmatic. It offers itself for the interpretation of the individual initiate. That means that, at best, I can tell you what the rituals of the Fraternity have meant to me. No author or authority whatsoever -- not Albert Pike, not the Master of my Lodge, not any author nor any Grand Master -- may tell anyone else what the true meaning of the Fraternity might be. They can only offer their experience and their opinion.

What, it seems to me, you crave is a system that provides you with all the answers in a simple package. If you have found it, then I wish you the best and hope it provides you with much happiness. However, don't make the mistake of assuming that Freemasonry is a similar package. Freemasonry, in its essence, simply encourages a man to consider ideas, to pose questions and to seek answers. It doesn't, really, provide those answers.


Thats very nice.

What you said makes alot of sense. I dont mean to impugn any individual mason. Ive comeby a few masons here taht i genuinely see a kinship with. You guys seem to have a very moral and upright philosophy and so when i see that i can see that my initial views were a tad harsh and presumptuous.

Thankyou for all the information.

This is still what i think of masonry.

Its rites, degrees and costume are gaudy/pretentious. Thats just my personal opinion of it.

I do agree that no one view is forced on its initiates. Theres a kabbalistic maxim that goes 'G-d created everything to parallel each other. So the spiritual is paralleled by the physical, and the holy is paralled by the demonc (kelipot)' Meraning any symbol can be applied either way. This is what the gnostics did with their corruption of the Torah; despite the fact that the Torah is blatantly legalistic and makes clear demands of makind, Though shalt not kill, commit adultery etc. Even though the practical and simple statements are sometimes interpreted as referring mainly to ones ownself, and not to his relations with others. As gnosticism is notoriously obsessed with the self and ignored mans duty towards his fellowman, even if it impinges on him what he considers 'tedious' rules. Too many gnostics and mystics consider any fixed moral system as 'the law of man', when teh Torah was given by the creator himself to man. Anyone aware of teh significance and power of the Hebrew language should get this.

I personally am not against other spiritual traditions as long as the basic 7 laws of noah are upheld. I find beuaty in all cultures but man has a responsibility to his creator. Hence my statement earlier that it would be wise for all those who are seeking truth to put some time in the study of Torah and kabbalah from a orthodox Jewish sources. No one is saying you should accept on yourself the strictures of a Jew, to convert, wear the Tzitzit, kipa and peyot. No. Just all mankind is beckoned by our creator to follow 7 moral laws.

I know this seems trivial to people who have some acrimony towards Jews and Judaism, and so resist the thought that what the Jews have is anything different from other man made traditions. No. Ive spent a great deal of time before i encountered kabbalah and chassidut studying the western and eastern spiritual traditions. I was impressed but i have never been so impressed and humbled by the truth and wisdom in Torah. I mean, study Hebrew and that will be enough to justify this opinion. Many notable gentile occultists (Conrelius Agrippa) have openly acknowledged Hebrew as the Edenic language (although they themselves were gnostics).


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posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by dontreally
Im criticing Masonry because i know a great deal about it. I know its main ethos is Gnosticism. Maybe not all masons are of this persuasion; hence, the varying degrees and levels and extramasonic bodies within the world of Freemasonry.


First we read the above. Being the nice guys we are, we give the benefit of the doubt. You do use big words and claim to be able to communicate in several languages.

Then we get this


For instance, the Tall cedars of lebanon is one such order that CLEARLY is involved in some sketchy things. 'Cedar of lebanon' is understood kabbalistically as a symbol for arrogance. Lavan in Hebrew means 'white' refering to purity, and specifically in reference to Jacobs corrupt sorceror uncle Lavan. One who considers himself a 'tall ceder' of Lebanon is one who regards his ways as perfect - in the sense that even his faults are in accord with the will of G-d. And so, this clearly refers to the egotism and self worship that epitomizes many streams of Hellenistic spirituality. gnosticism/neo platonism,hermeticism, sufism, sabbatean kabbalah etc.



did you just make a sweeping judgement of a masonic side order simply by the name of said order? really? Is that even remotely scholarly?

I would love to read some of your research papers.

"Burger King is demonic. Have you ever seen the King? He always has the same facial expression. He is up to something I tell ya!"

Next time you have a thought, just let it go.


Whats unscholarly about that?

Is Freemasonry not about mysticism? yes.

The word Lebanon is Hebrew. Kabbalists anaylze the word and note that lavan means white, and the extra nun refers to the 50 gates of understanding (7 sefirot X 7 sefirot = 49, the 50th gate is Binah, which transcends the limited framework of the lower creation). Therefore, Lebanon is an esoteric reference to the 50th gate, or a state of 'godhood'. The Jewish sages say only one human being has ever attained the 50th gate and that was Moshe Rabbeinu.

I dont know any better but i would suspect that many gnostics believe that this level corresponds to the 'self', christ, boddhisatva, etc where one lives above the passions and limitations of the lower self .

The ceders of lebanon, a common phrase in the Tanakh is often used in reference to arrogance. So, i see this as a biblical reference to those mystics, which existed in ancients times aswell (the pagan nations - Egypt, Babylon, Canaan etc) who believed themselves to be god men.

Its seems like a well formulated opinion. Again, if you read hebrew and knew a little about kabbalah you would probably consider my conjecture as being logical. Though, i could be wrong. I should bring this up with a more educated rabbi and see what he has to say about it.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 05:17 PM
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And names convey the essence of something, atleast in Hebrew thats the case.

So in a mystical organization like Freemasonry id presume that the name of side order would symbolize the overall nature of it.

For instance. In Judaism, the various schools of thought are condensed in its particular name CHABAD is an acronym for Chokmah, Binah and Da'at. The 3 intellectual fucntions of the soul. So Chabad emphasizes the intellect moreso than other kabbalistic/chassidic school.

Breslev has the word 'lev' in it, meaning heart. Its more emotionally focused.

Mussar means discipline, and so seeks to refine mans soul and emotional facultiies through discipline.

Chassidut means "faithfulness". Etc

This same is reflected in everything. So forgive me for making a 'sweeping judgment over a name' when the name generally reveals, especially when it was created by occultists, the specific nature of what the study, school or order is all about.



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posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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The Jewish sages say only one human being has ever attained the 50th gate and that was Moshe Rabbeinu.

I dont know any better but i would suspect that many gnostics believe that this level corresponds to the 'self', christ, boddhisatva, etc where one lives above the passions and limitations of the lower self .


A little off topic, but doesn't this single enlightened admission admit that Deism is the only correct way to worship? And therefore, the only organization getting it correctly is the Masonic Fraternity?

You just confirmed that Moshe Rabbeinu, Christ, and Buddha were all the same being, just by different names. Maybe we should assign a generic name to that being and the creator of that being. Lets say "GAOTU" for the creator, and "Son" for the one human man that reached this level with his father/creator. If we assume the living spirit of God in mankind is the "Holy Ghost" and that Abraham was a prophet instructing his people on the way to best live to honor the Creator. Then we have combined every major religion in the world into one monotheistic worship practice!

AND this is exactly how Masonry works. We do not exclude any religion, we only require a belief in one ever-living God, and we live by a strict code of morality and brotherly love. Charity and Servitude to the Creator is our driving motivation.

Are you now agreeing with all of this? Or was that just one sentence that slipped out without you seeing the profound consequence of it?


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posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 05:32 PM
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Also, i still believe without a shadow of a doubt that masonry is used to conceal the activities of the 'illuminati' - that is, people involved with the NWO agenda.

Maybe not every mason is involed with this. Maybe only half or less are. Idk. But i do believe without a doubt, that the 'great work' is paralled in the outside world, and those involved in that are some shoddy lowbrow evil human beings.

Just look at bohemian grove. How come none of you care about that? ! Behema means animal in Hebrew. The entire thing is about indulging the passions of the animal self. how can this be good for the soul? For ones ability to make proper judgements? If you roll around in # and mud and than put on a nice suit. The smell of # and mud is still on you. Theres no such thing as taking a shower and making 'expiation' for yourself in the spiritual worlds.....not when you consciously acted that way and than wily expect to be forgiven because 'christ' is a forgiving, gracious and merciful spirit. Thats delusion! all of that is utter delusion created by the roman aristocrats and now deludes the minds of millions of people. That certainly to me warrants the title "tall ceder of lebanon" - one who thinks all his actions are white and purer and free from guilt! That is a perfect symbol for such a lunatic.

People literally believe theres such a thing called 'the new testament'. Theres only the Torah. Torah, and thats it. The neviyim and ketuvim are holy but on a much lesser scale to the Torah. They were only there to cement the point of Torah.

Christianity is a fraud. So is Islam. Like all the other manmade religions of the world. I dont deny that theyve done alot of Good and that the teachings of Torah have been spread by these two groups (atleast somewhat).



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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How do you know that the Torah and the jewish faith is not man made?



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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A little off topic, but doesn't this single enlightened admission admit that Deism is the only correct way to worship? And therefore, the only organization getting it correctly is the Masonic Fraternity?

You just confirmed that Moshe Rabbeinu, Christ, and Buddha were all the same being, just by different names. Maybe we should assign a generic name to that being and the creator of that being. Lets say "GAOTU" for the creator, and "Son" for the one human man that reached this level with his father/creator. If we assume the living spirit of God in mankind is the "Holy Ghost" and that Abraham was a prophet instructing his people on the way to best live to honor the Creator. Then we have combined every major religion in the world into one monotheistic worship practice!

Are you now agreeing with all of this? Or was that just one sentence that slipped out without you seeing the profound consequence of it?


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Youve clearly misunderstood what i wrote.

Moshe was a REAL person who lived 1500 years before Jesus came around. Im not allegorizing moshe. although his spirit is present in each leader of the generation (of the Jewish people). Moshe is actually the word Hashem backwards. Meaning moshe REFLECTED his creator.

More importantly though. Jesus and Buddah taught an antinomian belief system. They were different people who lived at different times. Also, Jesus and Buddah are symbols in those respective schools for the 'self'. In Kabbalah this spiritual power is referred to as Metatron, the back of the creator. True, Moshe rabbenu did attain to this state and was literally the only human being to have EVER lived who was able to command the creation to do something and it did it. This is because Moshe was one with G-d, in a true state of oneness and Bitul - nullification to G-d. Moshe is regarded by the Jewish sages as the most humble man to have ever lived. He knew his purpose in the world and he embraced it. He acted as G-d (elohim) relative to the Jewish people. Not that he was G-d, he was simply a man. But a man who was so nullified to his source that his very spirit enabled other men to experience this level of spiritual awareness. Moshe was the collective soul. Hence why i said earlier that Moshe rabbinu will be reincarnated as Moshiach - the collective soul, the only human being who will have the ability to arouse other souls towards worship/service of the creator.

The pagan idea is much different. When an initiate has reached the state of 'christ' a state of transcendence of the lower spiritual framework, one is at SEVERE risk of becoming a megalomaniac. This is why G-d gave the Torah. Man may know atleast somewhat what its like to live beyond this world while in it, but nonetheless, he acknowledges his finitude and dependency on his source when he commits himself to fulfill the mitzvot (commandments) of Torah. A command is something which truly transcends the framework of reality. If you study kabbalistic cosmology you can see how this is the most elevated spiritual level that man can experience. Theres no 'screens' between G-d and man when a specific command is given. G-ds will/his essence is made known and experienced when mans performs his creators will.

So, the antinomian schools that consider any law as restrictive and which doesnt revere the Torah, is not upholding the 7 laws of noach. I mentioned Christ, buddah as referring to that god like state of consciousness, not as me comparing those two people to moses.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by humbleseeker
How do you know that the Torah and the jewish faith is not man made?


Because of Hebrew. In essence. Hebrew is the determining factor here. Anyone who properly studies it without any prejudice will come to this realization.

If you dont believe that, thats your choice. I would hope people can put their egotism/skepticism aside and just study it. Its impossible for it to be manmade. The spiritual correspondences are way to consistent and the fact that science and kabbalah is lining up the way it is means the kabbalists have been recieving their knowledge of Torah(since they derive all their teachings from Torah) from a truly G-dly source.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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Quote "...theres only the Torah. Torah, and thats it." Again, religious intolerance and bigotry are not, contrary to your continued assertions, accepted by most of mainstream society. Join your religion of choice and be happy, but stop saying that your beliefs are the only acceptable available by default and contradict MY personal God. And I doubt that your religion requires you to argue and demean others who dont agree with you. If this IS the doctrine of your sect, its contrary to most if not all other religions that preach tolerance and promote goodwill to others. Does your religion promote slander against institutions that you know nothing about as well as intolerance of any other religion? I doubt it.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by scooterstrats
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Quote "...theres only the Torah. Torah, and thats it." Again, religious intolerance and bigotry are not, contrary to your continued assertions, accepted by most of mainstream society. Join your religion of choice and be happy, but stop saying that your beliefs are the only acceptable available by default and contradict MY personal God. And I doubt that your religion requires you to argue and demean others who dont agree with you. If this IS the doctrine of your sect, its contrary to most if not all other religions that preach tolerance and promote goodwill to others. Does your religion promote slander against institutions that you know nothing about as well as intolerance of any other religion? I doubt it.


Whos talking about religious intolerance?

Whether you understand or not, Torah is objectively true. A thorough study of its esoteric dimension would reveal that..

And i have nothing, and have repeated many times already, NOTHING, against other religions as long as they comply with the 7 laws given to Noach

1. Prohibition of Idolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.
2. Prohibition of Murder: You shall not murder. (Genesis 9:6)
3. Prohibition of Theft: You shall not steal.
4. Prohibition of Sexual immorality: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which include adultery, incest, sodomy, and bestiality.
5. Prohibition of Blasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God's name.
6. Dietary Law: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4, as interpreted in the Talmud (Sanhedrin 59a)
7. Requirement to have just Laws: Set up a governing body of law (eg Courts)

symbolized by the 7 rays in the rainbow, which of course was the sign of teh covenant between Noach and G-d.





posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 08:31 PM
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"Whos talking about religious intolerance?"
You are, and have been. You continue to state that your sect is the "only way, all that there is". You are offensive . You are proselytizing and preaching your beliefs here, treading on thin ice if the moderators are to be believed.You may want to move your position the the Religion forum. And answer the questions that were posited to you regarding your posts. You are offensive to my religious sensibilities. Does your belief system condone that?



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by scooterstrats
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"Whos talking about religious intolerance?"
You are, and have been. You continue to state that your sect is the "only way, all that there is". You are offensive . You are proselytizing and preaching your beliefs here, treading on thin ice if the moderators are to be believed.You may want to move your position the the Religion forum. And answer the questions that were posited to you regarding your posts. You are offensive to my religious sensibilities. Does your belief system condone that?



LOL, those 7 ethical laws offend you?

If they offend you id look to know which one of those ethical laws is most 'offensive'.

I believe theres truth in all religions. However, any precept that contradicts one of the 7 Noachide laws is a false and corrupt belief. Otherwise, christianity, Islam, hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, native american religions all viable and acceptable paths to know the creator. They wouldnt exist if they werent unique and precious to G-d

Do you still consider me offensive? ^^^ this is what i truly believe. However, i feel Torah was given to the Jewish people from the creator himself and the estoeric dimension of Torah - kabbalah, does a very convincing job showing that. All people were given their respective traditions prophetically aswell. But; the Jews have a special purpose among mankind, as each of us do. The only thing thats being required of mankind is a moral one. This is justified and i can hardly consider it offensive. Id be offended by someone who finds any of these principals 'offensive'. I would like to know their rationale for thinking so.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 12:00 AM
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Religious bigotry is offensive to any culture or society,if you feel that Torah is the ONLY way or truth, thats great and I hope you enjoy it. Where does this Torah thing say that you must force it onto others in a dogmatic fashion? You've suddenly changed your tone when confronted with the speculation that your precious Torah may not condone your attitude. Interesting reversal. I really doubt that any sane religion says that you should go on a public message board and state that only you have the true way .Sounds a bit megalomaniacal. Thin ice here chief, quit preaching religion because if the mods are half sober they may realize that this violates their terms. Then you will need to find another unsuspecting forum to spew your fundamentalist , exclusive, and personally offensive ranting . Offensive yes. Some tenets of your beliefs are palatable, but stating that your belief system is the only true way ( yeah you said it) and imply that if others dont follow it they are in error, is offensive to ANY religion. And the mods seem to condone it, interesting. Off to bed , see u tommorrow.


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posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 06:35 AM
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Here is a little information about them.

It is an apendant body much like the shrine. It's philanthropy is helping children's Muscular Dystrophy. Sometimes a name is just a name.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 08:21 AM
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Yes the Tall cedars, and Shriners are so evil. Give me a break! its almost funny and to me it is funny how people can think our society is evil. I wonder what the worst the good dinner and fellowship once or twice a month or the help we give to a brother ina serious time of need, like cancer or other medical condotions school schalorships, helping out finiancially with almost every community function that takes place. And this is my little old small country lodge in Iowa. Freemasonry is one of the backbones of the United States.



posted on Aug, 14 2010 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by scooterstrats
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Religious bigotry is offensive to any culture or society,if you feel that Torah is the ONLY way or truth, thats great and I hope you enjoy it. Where does this Torah thing say that you must force it onto others in a dogmatic fashion? You've suddenly changed your tone when confronted with the speculation that your precious Torah may not condone your attitude. Interesting reversal. I really doubt that any sane religion says that you should go on a public message board and state that only you have the true way .Sounds a bit megalomaniacal. Thin ice here chief, quit preaching religion because if the mods are half sober they may realize that this violates their terms. Then you will need to find another unsuspecting forum to spew your fundamentalist , exclusive, and personally offensive ranting . Offensive yes. Some tenets of your beliefs are palatable, but stating that your belief system is the only true way ( yeah you said it) and imply that if others dont follow it they are in error, is offensive to ANY religion. And the mods seem to condone it, interesting. Off to bed , see u tommorrow.


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Youre seriously exagerrating the tone ive been speaking with.

Ive stated plenty of time that i find beauty and value in all religions and cultures.

The Laws of Noach are real and not 'man made'.

Why dont you go to google and type them in, "7 noachide laws".

Is it religious bigotry to say man shouldnt steal, murder, commit idolatry, not blasphemy the creator, not commit sexual offenses, not eat the live flesh of an animal, and establish a just legal system?

Again. Explain to me which one of these particular laws irk you.

I find them all legitimate and many many religious teachers from other religions, have come to Jerusalem and pledged an oath to uphold these laws. Clearly the wise men among the natioons, whether buddhist, Hindu, Druze, Muslim, Christian, Taoist, know a thing or two about Judaism and its esoteric dimension to appreciate the fact that this bnei Noach law was and is a real law that was given to mankinds forbearer Noah. Many representatives have come and pledged to honor this.

Yes, i have said that kabbalah and Torah is teh real deal. Torah means 'instruction',

And fundamentalist?! lol./ Youve cleaerly never spoken to a fundamentalist. Judaism doesnt condemn anyone to hell. Judaism approves of all religious paths as it says clearly in the Talmud "the righteous of the nations have a place in olam haba". I beleive all religionas are special and were given by the creator to those people. However, because of the centrality of Jerusalem, being the 'naval' of the world, and the particular significance of Torah above other holy books, and mind you - Torah is not just for the Jews, but belongs to all mankind, i believe the Jewish people have a role amongst man as a 'priest'. Hence all the difficult and demanding commandments the Jew has to take upon himself. Of course, this brings him joy and helps him to connect with G-d, butnonetheless its a 'yoke' that many people would prefer not to take on themselves.

In the end, ive repeated many times i find beauty in all religions. To call me fundamentalist is simply retarded and is a very weak generalization. A fundamentalist does not approve of other religions and generally has a 'youre going to hell' belief if you dont accept their path. A fundamentalist also is typically ignorant of mysticism/philosophy. My only bone to pick is an ethical one. These 7 laws are the real deal and ive spoken to many many people - cherokee indians, christians, muslims, easterners who embrace the 7 Noachide laws in humility and dont consider their lot in life as inferior to the Jew or anyone else. Everyone has a unique mission in this world. A christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Native American.




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