how do the masons here on ats feel about the NWO?

i am just curious ,i would like to know how all the masons here on ats feel about the NWO ? the pros and cons? things like that , i feel that in some aspects its a good thing .i would like to think that the plan is good for stoping war and famon and the killing of people ,but the whole population reduction thing is what gets to me ,i am all for it if it will help man kind for the good ..but some thoughts on this would be nice ..i am not saying that all masons are apart of this or that you have anything to do with it ,but as a person that holds a blue petition ,and my conversation with the 32 degree MM who sighned it he did revel the meaning behind the perimid on the back of the dollar ,i shal not say more but many thanks for your input and never mind my spelling errors lol


many thanks


Nephi ...

I'm pretty sure that Masons don't have any opinions about the NWO that relate to their craft since the Masonic tradition teaches grades of enlightenment and genial responsibility not how to conquer the world!

My personal opinion is that the NWO conspiracy is a fictional concept built for no other purpose than to cement Old World Monotheistic values. The masonic adept reveals a path to the initiate that can guide them to great wisdom about the nature of the world and the nature of personal being and non-being. This is naturally a threat to old world traditions since traditionally we are required to put our faith beyond us instead of within. If a being puts their faith within then they are a "free man" hence a "freemason."

Also, I have never heard population control discussed by masons. I have heard it discussed in AMORC doctrine but only in sensible terms of contraception and family planning education.

I hope this helps a little.
Be well fellow traveler.

reply to post by Like The Leaf


well i am guessing your a man of the craft? , and if you are not you must read a book called morals and dogma witch was written by sir albert pike who astablished the higher degrees of freemasonary ,i believe he talkes about 3 world wars to create wolrd conrtol does he not? please correct me if i am wrong on that ..also he is responsable for starting the pretext order of the KKK ,was that not a sort of population control?

if i am wrong to witch i speak please anyone correct me

I wouldn't count on any reply's from these evil nefarious shysters. They don't have the guts to stand up to the truth.
At one time they did respond, but were quickly put in their low place.
SNF

Originally posted by Nephi1337
i am just curious ,i would like to know how all the masons here on ats feel about the NWO ? the pros and cons? things like that ,

In my personal opinion, the biggest mistake is assuming there's only one NWO movement happening. "Us against them" is an oversimplification. There are a LOT of groups trying to change the world, with different agendas, and different supporters. Lumping them all together is a fool's game, and unfortunately all too common on ATS.

he did revel the meaning behind the perimid on the back of the dollar ,i shal not say more

The pyramid is not a Masonic symbol. The symbol on the back of the dollar bill is American only. It only exists as the Great Seal of the United States. The 13 steps represent the original 13 colonies, and the eye is God, watching over the development of our nation. Anything more is a conspiracy theorist's rants and has no basis in fact or history.

I do indeed own Morals & Dogma. It's collecting dust on my shelf as we speak!

(Sigh) Okay... It's late here so may I refer you to a website that has a whole page dedicated to this very subject. Anything I could say about this would basically be reiterating this information so I'd rather save my fingers! Anyhow, I'm better at explaining theory, ritual and practice over history of rather obscure and overrated Masonic figures!

Read this and then at least you'll know what page I am on with this!
Three World Wars?

Afterwards, I'll happily do my best at discussing it's contents.

Be well friend.


[edit on 10-8-2010 by Like The Leaf]

Originally posted by Nephi1337
and if you are not you must read a book called morals and dogma witch was written by sir albert pike who astablished the higher degrees of freemasonary

No, but he rewrote some of the degrees of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction.

i believe he talkes about 3 world wars to create wolrd conrtol does he not? please correct me if i am wrong on that ..

No, that was part of the Taxil hoax. No such letters ever existed. (edit... or maybe I'm counfusing it with another, but Leaf's link is a good one.)

also he is responsable for starting the pretext order of the KKK ,was that not a sort of population control?

if i am wrong to witch i speak please anyone correct me

Pike had nothing to do with the KKK either. Here is a complete rundown on how that myth has perpetrated.

[edit on 8/10/2010 by JoshNorton]

Thank you Mr. Norton for saving me some time! Also, I posted a link a little further up the page that will help explain this confusion in a little more detail.

Can I ask those who think that Illuminist movements are a cover for "satanic" cults if they have ever tried to see things from a different perspective? I mean, what if you are wrong? I'm just curious.

Originally posted by Violater1
I wouldn't count on any reply's from these evil nefarious shysters. They don't have the guts to stand up to the truth.
At one time they did respond, but were quickly put in their low place.
SNF

really ??? and what place would that be ??? lol

It still amazes me to this day how so many
people think that ALL MASONS are evil.

I cannot speak for all Masons but I can speak
for myself. I am a former Mason and a Past Master
of my local lodge. I am no longer practicing
the craft but why I am no longer a Mason is
irrelevant to this discussion.

As far as some Grand Scheme by the Masons
to control the world is completely ludicrous.
I was a Mason for over 20 years and never heard
an inkling of the stuff you folks are throwing out
there.

As far as my feelings on the NWO.
I hate the idea myself.
I think we as people would lose too much
of what makes us all unique if we were all
under one rule or order.

I am NOT saying that their might not be some rogue
Masonic Lodges out there that wants to rule the world.
But the mainstream free masons that I was involved
with have no such ambitions and wouldn't participate
in it. Matter of fact, they would probably be in the
Patriot bunch wanting a Revolution.

Have any of the posters who think all masons are evil actually been to a lodge? It just seems odd to me that these conspiracy theories keep going and going, when it is so easy to get inside the lodge and join. I somewhat understand, since I too read all these silly theories when I first got into conspiracy theories. I am sure there are still rogue lodges, like P2 in the '80s, but to say all masons are evil is kinda silly.

reply to post by Nephi1337


NWO is nothing more than Progressives trying to destroy National Identity, Culture, History etc etc.. coupled with Globalist pushing a Corporate agenda..

I despise Globalism, Progressivism, Socialism, Fascism, and the US Government.

All these things, imo, go against Masonic idea, though I don't speak for the Craft or my Brothers.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by Nephi1337
and if you are not you must read a book called morals and dogma witch was written by sir albert pike who astablished the higher degrees of freemasonary

No, but he rewrote some of the degrees of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction.

i believe he talkes about 3 world wars to create wolrd conrtol does he not? please correct me if i am wrong on that ..

No, that was part of the Taxil hoax. No such letters ever existed. (edit... or maybe I'm counfusing it with another, but Leaf's link is a good one.)

also he is responsable for starting the pretext order of the KKK ,was that not a sort of population control?

if i am wrong to witch i speak please anyone correct me

Pike had nothing to do with the KKK either. Here is a complete rundown on how that myth has perpetrated.

[edit on 8/10/2010 by JoshNorton]

You are totally wrong!
Anybody interested in researching Albert Pike, just Google him. He did start the KKK and was the highest free mason.
So much for your disinfo

reply to post by boondock-saint
People like to think Masons are somehow hiding something because they are secret (see what I did there?)
Unfortunately, its like just tradition and other things that make the experience unique that's being hidden.
All of these 'researchersm speak of the 32nd and 33rd degrees as if they are the true masterminds and that even they may be controlled by someone. The problem is that I don't think that anyone proven to be a 32nd or 33rd degree has spoken about such things, so how would he be verified? Do these researchers hear it from a Mason friend who heard it from another who heard it from someone else?

There are many more groups that could be secret that the elite could meet at instead of the highly publicized and interesting FreeMasons.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
Have any of the posters who think all masons are evil actually been to a lodge? It just seems odd to me that these conspiracy theories keep going and going, when it is so easy to get inside the lodge and join. I somewhat understand, since I too read all these silly theories when I first got into conspiracy theories. I am sure there are still rogue lodges, like P2 in the '80s, but to say all masons are evil is kinda silly.

Why in Heavens name would I want to go into some place that worships Lucifer, here is the beginning of just how evil the Shriners or freemasons are!

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...
www.cuttingedge.org...
www.youtube.com...
www.godonthe.net...
www.ephesians5-11.org...
www.aaccoa.org...
www.youtube.com...
www.caterpillar.org.uk...

Originally posted by Zaxxon
The problem is that I don't think that anyone proven to be a 32nd or 33rd degree has spoken about such things, so how would he be verified?

lol
I was a 32 Deg Scottish Rite FreeMason
and I'm telling ya
IT IS BUNK !!!!

Is that good enough ???

Originally posted by Violater1
Why in Heavens name would I want to go into some place that worships Lucifer, here is the beginning of just how evil the Shriners or freemasons are!

first of all

Masons DO NOT worship lucifer

You have to profess a faith in deity or God
before you can be admitted

secondly

Shriners and Free Masons are NOT the same
organization.

You have to be a Mason to be a Shriner
but you do NOT have to be a Shriner to
be a Mason.

will you please stop spreading junk lies around
that you have no knowledge of outside of a
computer screen??

reply to post by Violater1


So these Christians were actually devil-worshippers?

Leading Masonic authorities in the 18th and 19th centuries held a distinctively Christian interpretation of Freemasonry. Such leaders as Rev. James Anderson, William J. Hughan, William Hutchinson, Rev. George Oliver, and others had a Christian view of their Craft.(2) Hutchinson, in particular, noted that Jesus Christ was the example for the Master Mason. He stated, "The Master Mason represents a man under the Christian doctrine saved from the grave of iniquity and raised to the faith of salvation. As the great testimonial that we are risen from the state of corruption, we bear the emblem of the Holy Trinity as the insignia of our vows and of the origin of the Master's order."(3)

www.leaderu.com...

[edit on 10-8-2010 by InvisibleAlbatross]

The pyramid is not a Masonic symbol. The symbol on the back of the dollar bill is American only. It only exists as the Great Seal of the United States. The 13 steps represent the original 13 colonies, and the eye is God, watching over the development of our nation. Anything more is a conspiracy theorist's rants and has no basis in fact or history.

Sorry mate. But you are way wrong with that statement. The pyramid with the all seeing eye is an Illuminati symbol not American. You need to do a bit more research on this. And that Illuminati symbol originally comes from Europe. The only reason it is on the one dollar bill is because the Illuminati have based their centre of operations in America. And the fact that God does not exist would explain away your eye theory.

Research and ye shall know the truth!!!

my point with this thred was not to cause arguments ,but to gain a bit of insite on the nwo and how masons feel about it since their name seems to come up when ever the subject is brought up, not all masons are bad i look at as like the jedi you have dark and light ..now masons you know this is true because in every lodge look at the floor you hold your craft on and the meaning behind it .its a balance between good and evil

reply to post by Violater1


I'm not going to refute anything you've said thus far...

Except address the other posters: Who to believe? Real Masons and their ideas of Enlightenment and self-improvement....

Or Crazy Christians hell bent on their smear campaign based on, as usual, ignorance, blindness, hatred, and various other unbecoming qualities?