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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by rnaa
"Dred Scott was absolutely constitutional" = LOL
Originally posted by mothershipzeta
Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
Most of their felony offenses (any violation of the Constitution is automatically a felony-level offense!) are a matter of public record!
Please cite the law that makes those votes a felony. We don't get to prosecute people just because we want to. That's what tyranny really is.
Originally posted by mothershipzeta
Has Congress declared war on Mexico? Are illegal immigrants coming in armed, then getting reinforced by Congress? If not, you're completely incorrect.
Originally posted by mothershipzeta
Completely unConstitutional. The Constitution says they are elected to their terms - 2 years for Representatives; 6 years for Senators. You don't get to make up new rules to remove them from office.
Originally posted by babybunnies
The Constitution has been being marginalized for years. It started when they stopped teaching the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independance in our schools.
Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
Perhaps you should do some research on the 16th amendment. There are several good arguements that it was not legally ratified. Ive looked into it, and there is good arguement for it.
Originally posted by rnaa
Doctor is an honorific earned by achievement, not by practicing a profession.
Originally posted by links234
Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by links234
Enacting legislation that is outside constitutional limits is not fine.
I've never read the constitution and considered it limiting to anything. It is, in some ways, the embodiment of freedom.
Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by links234
To take a completely atheistic viewpoint; your rights are endowed, not by some unseen, ultimate power, but by your government.
Stalin would love you.
Originally posted by whatukno
What happened to the Constitution? I'll tell you, the RIGHT WINGERS STARTED ATTACKING IT IN LATE 1994!
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Liberty is not granted to you by government. Only a nut would think that. Your rights come from the fact you are human. They have nothing to do with government granting them to you.
You are obviously the product of a public educational system.
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; power is ever stealing from the many to the few.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Don't bother me, and I won't bother you. Outside of that keep your interest away from my private affairs.
So you say. But from where does the Federal Government derive this power to manage the nations education? ANd yea, that was a lame thing for him to say.
Yes, you are absolutely correct - in the basic idea of education. But do we need corporations and foundations indoctrinating our children?
Are the schools really teaching or are they just creating obedient, unquestioning servants? -see George Carlin
Way to take the high road, Dude. You know, I agreed with a some of your post, and was enjoying it - right up to the point where you put your foot in your mouth.
"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America." -- James Madison
I mean seriously, you want to argue that its constitutionally legal to enslave someone and deny them due process?
You consider this constitutional prior to the 14th amendment?
"Dred Scott was absolutely constitutional" = LOL
Consent of the governed.
I no longer give CONSENT!
Originally posted by Tyrannyispeace
If not, there is ONE RIGHT left.
1: On one hand we have a group of people that are pointing out that certain amendments could fall under unconstitutional. While it does seem like an conundrum; being that which is put into the Constitution is deemed Unconstitutional, it can happen.
Case in point the 18th Amendment being an unconstitutional amendment as shown with the repeal thereafter with the 21st Amendment. This effectively placed the power back into the States hands. Unfortunately, the Federal Government did not give up and now uses the Federal Highway Act to strong arm and hold States hostage in regards to laws in place.
That being said, when people call out that an amendment is unconstitutional, they are doing so based upon the fact that the amendment violates or contradicts a tenet within the Constitution itself.
Case being the 17th Amendment if seen for what it truly is, that of probably the most overt power grab by the Federal Government in taking away the seats that the States used to hold in the Senate and bringing the Senate under mob rule.
I see Madison's concerns as prophecy. How 'bout you? Oh, don't tell me, you don't believe in original intent.
. I mean I want to debate this with you, but you're so far off on so many issues. It would take pages.
Really? I'm just astonished...
Just because something follows the process as outlined in the Constitution to ratify amendments does not necessarily make the amendment it's self constitutional in nature.
The constitution provides a scope for government operations to comply within. Not a basis for it to extend outward from.
Or are you even aware it ISN'T A DEMOCRACY!?
It's a REPUBLIC. Were we elect people to REPRESENT us and PROTECT our INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS from being DEPRIVED to us.
Furthermore slavery was never lawful under the Constitution. It was simply permissible according to societies standards at the time.
"All men...created equal...right to life, liberty...happiness"