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Wahabi Shriners

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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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I watched the video, and you have a combination of sarcasm, grouchy old man, and both parties trying to trick the other one into saying something.

He says Jesus is his God and that he is a Christian, and also agrees that he worships Lucifer and Lucifer was created by God. He also says he has never been called Worshipful Master.

I have been called Worshipful Master. That is the leader of a Lodge. We are elected and we serve for one year. It is not true that Jesus is the "only" Worshipful Master, or even that he was any type of Mason. I have never read or heard anywhere that Jesus was a Mason.

King Solomon was the first and Most Worshipful Master of our fraternity.

None of that has anything to do with the Shriners, except Shriners are typically drinkers and partiers and a little more well to do financially (not required). Stopping a Shriner outside a Shrine Convention is a good way to get some comical and sarcastic answers.

Ray Stevens has it closer in fact than your video, and in fact I have heard that Ray Stevens may be a Shriner!!





posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:49 PM
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He mentions the Hahira Shrine, of which I have met many members, LOL!.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
I watched the video, and you have a combination of sarcasm, grouchy old man, and both parties trying to trick the other one into saying something.

He says Jesus is his God and that he is a Christian, and also agrees that he worships Lucifer and Lucifer was created by God. He also says he has never been called Worshipful Master.





dont you have to be a master mason to even be a shriner? so then the old man lied ?

[edit on 9-8-2010 by Nephi1337]



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:58 PM
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You do have to be a Master Mason, but not the Worshipful Master. All Shriners are Master Masons, that part is true, although due to tough economic times, every couple of years they try to open membership up to non-Masons, but it always gets shot down. Thankfully!

HERE is more about the Shriner's Hospitals. I thought everyone knew about these!

[edit on 9-8-2010 by getreadyalready]



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:11 PM
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ah ok i see ,so what is the position of a WM? what is their job?

many thanks

Nephi...



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Nephi1337
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ah ok i see ,so what is the position of a WM? what is their job?

many thanks

Nephi...


I mentioned it earlier. WM is the elected leader of any single lodge. They preside over meetings and appoint other members to committes, etc.

Ideally, to become a WM, you would have already held every other position and learned all the catechisms and work, and your peers would elect you based on that prior work. We have elections for officers once per year. The installation ceremony is open to the public, and it is a nice ceremony to come watch.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:17 PM
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The Worshipfull Master is the highest ranking Mason of a individual Masonic Lodge. He is voted in for a one year term by his peers, usually he is someone who has several years or more of membership before attaining the postion.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
Albert Pike was considered an clandestine Mason, and he certainly does not represent most Masons.


Brother, I think you are somewhat mistaken in this regard. Albert Pike was far from clandestine. Maybe you mean Aliester Crowley?



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Albert Pike was considered an clandestine Mason, and he certainly does not represent most Masons.


Brother, I think you are somewhat mistaken in this regard. Albert Pike was far from clandestine. Maybe you mean Aliester Crowley?


Maybe you are right, because I think I learned that tidbit of info from following one of your links in another thread! Whoops!

Still, wasn't Pike a Prince Hall Mason? In Florida, those are still clandestine.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
Still, wasn't Pike a Prince Hall Mason? In Florida, those are still clandestine.
Nope. Pike was initiated, passed & raised at Western Star Lodge #2 in Little Rock, Arkansas. Pike is reported to have said "Prince Hall lodge was as regular a lodge as any lodge created by competent authority. It had a perfect right to establish other lodges and make itself a Mother Lodge." But he was not a Prince Hall Mason, himself.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 04:28 AM
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wahabism is the reason muslims blow themself up. It's also the reason women wear burkas and the reason why the world is in such a horrific state.

It is a staunch literalist ultra conservative interpretation of Islam and was only created about a century ago. It's propagation has been funded by saudi royalty all this time and I believe it is the cancer of islam.

Seeing this picture sickens and horrifies me but also makes total sense.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 04:37 AM
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Just to clarify I am not islamophobic, being raised muslim. I am still a monotheist although I don't ascribe to any religion. I belive the Quran to be true, however hadith which has been peddled as gospel truth from the wahabists off the world is falsefied. This is where stoning, child marriages, murdering of people and all manner of unusual and nutcase practices are pushed.

I have always believed this part of "islam" (mainstream islam today) to be exagerrated and marketed for the purpose of destroying all monotheism and furthering the lucifarian agenda of the elites.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 05:44 AM
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This has gotten painful...

The Wahabi Shriners are Shriners from Jackson, Mississippi... All members of the Wahabi Temple (Shrine Center) will have a Fez with the name Wahabi on it.

www.wahabishriners.org...

Some sketchy characters there... Obviously Islamic fundamentalists...



I remember the good old days (a couple of years ago) when Google was employed before blindly rattling away in public...

Here is a list of all the Shrine Temples...

Anyone notice a common theme there?



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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I sent the following email to the Potentate, and the main Temple website. Hopefully they will come to this thread and participate!




Good Morning Illustrious Charlie,

I am a Mason and a Shriner, and I thought you might find this thread entertaining and enlightening. The website, AboveTopSecret.com, is a very good website, but many conspiracy theorists are paranoid of Masons and Shriners, and apparently the name Wahabi has special meanings that are even more scary to the conspiracy theorists. A picture of a man in one of your Fez's made it to the website, and there is an ongoing discussion.

Feel free to check it out, read, hopefully you will even decide to participate in the discussion. Do not be offended by the attention. I am only alerting you to the thread, because as a Mason and a Shriner, I find these threads quite entertaining and enlightening, and many brothers and nobles participate in the discussions, so I often find myself learning things about our craft.

Here is the link:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hope to see you there!

Scott



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 08:00 AM
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GRA,

Inviting Masons to participate on ATS is a guaranteed way to incur the wrath of Significant Other.

HTH
Fitz



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 08:01 AM
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Just for a little more clarity, the history of the Shriners...


www.almenahshriners.org...

Florence, recalling the conversations at the Knickerbocker Cottage, realized that this might well be the vehicle for the new fraternity. He made copious notes and drawings at that initial viewing and on two other occasions when he attended the ceremony, once in Algiers and again in Cairo. When he returned to New York in 1870 and showed his material to Dr. Fleming, Fleming agreed.

Dr. Walter Millard Fleming was a prominent physician and surgeon. Born in 1838, he obtained a degree in medicine in Albany, N.Y., in 1862. During the Civil War, he was a surgeon with the 13th New York Infantry Brigade of the National Guard. He then practiced medicine in Rochester, New York, until 1868, when he moved to New York City and quickly became a leading practitioner.

Fleming was devoted to fraternalism. He became a Mason in Rochester and took some of his Scottish Rite work there, then completed his degrees in New York City. He was coroneted a 33° Scottish Rite Mason on September 19, 1872.


Fleming took the ideas supplied by Florence and converted them into what would become the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (A.A.O.N.M.S.). While there is some question about the origin of the Fraternity's name, it is probably more than coincidence that its initials, rearranged, spell out the words "A MASON."

With the help of other Knickerbocker Cottage regulars, Fleming drafted the ritual, designed the emblem and ritual costumes, formulated a salutation, and declared that members would wear a red fez.

The initiation rites, or ceremonials, were drafted by Fleming with the help of three Brother Masons: Charles T. McClenachan, lawyer and expert on Masonic Ritual; William Sleigh Paterson, printer, linguist and ritualist; and Albert L. Rawson, prominent scholar and Mason who provided much of the Arabic background.


The story of how the Shriners came to be and to use Arabic symbols and names is there. These ideas where developed when I doubt most people even knew what Islam was.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 08:13 AM
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I could be extremely wrong. But I always thought that, back in the day the Shriners were more of a relaxed and partying part of masonry. Then after getting a bad name, for there antics they started donating to childrens funds and building hospitals.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by humbleseeker
I could be extremely wrong. But I always thought that, back in the day the Shriners were more of a relaxed and partying part of masonry. Then after getting a bad name, for there antics they started donating to childrens funds and building hospitals.


The History Channel program says a variation of that story. That program claims the Shriners were organized as a way to overcome some bad publicity that the Masons were getting after a murder of a man according to his blood oath. He spilled some secrets, and somebody killed him, and it really hurt the fraternity at the time. The Shriners came about as a way to put a charitable face on Masonry.

I don't know if I buy 100% into that explanation, but that is how the History Channel portrayed it.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
We run 8 children's hospitals where state of the art care is provided for FREE!!


I just want to point out that we run 22 hospitals, not 8, in two different countries. We spend , I believe around 7.5/8 billion dollars a year on the running and maintaining of these hospitals and research as well into the different afflictions we treat and better ways to fix them.


www.shrinershq.org...



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 08:35 AM
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I think I will probably join the shrine. I have only been a Mason for about a year and a half. There is so much to learn in the blue lodge. I eventually want to eplore and join the Scottish and York rite. What about the Grotto I have heard of it a little online, but havent heard of any brotheren around here who are apart of it.




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